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Post by tdenmark on Dec 29, 2022 18:17:15 GMT -6
Unless you've been living under a rock You may have heard of ChatGPT, powered by the OpenAI technology that uses Generative AI to answer any question, or to describe virtually anything you can ask it. I posed the question of just what is the OSR? And here was its response:
Not too bad a definition really. It misses all the nuance, which I think is common to all the questions I've asked it. But as a base level this technology is impressive and a window into what the future holds from our tech overlords.
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Post by geoffrey on Dec 29, 2022 20:05:30 GMT -6
Unless you've been living under a rock you have heard of ChatGPT, powered by the OpenAI technology that uses Generative AI to answer any question, or to describe virtually anything you can ask it. I've been living under a rock.  |
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 29, 2022 23:36:29 GMT -6
I've been living under a rock. okay, I adjusted the post to sound less pretentious. ChatGPT is a chat bot that responds remarkably well, almost human-like, to questions and will write short essays and solve problems for you. Including complex mathematics and engineering problems. It uses artificial intelligence, broadly called Generative AI. The source code for it was released as open source software that anyone can use, by the OpenAI foundation. For example, I asked it to make a riddle: Riddle: I am taken from a mine, and shut up in a wooden case, from which I am never released, and yet I am used. What am I? Answer: A pencil Maybe not the greatest riddle, but it understands English remarkably well. |
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Post by Vile Traveller on Dec 30, 2022 2:56:26 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not marking theses anymore!
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 30, 2022 3:47:52 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not marking theses anymore! marking theses? |
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Post by Vile Traveller on Dec 30, 2022 4:32:29 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not marking theses anymore! marking theses? As in plural of thesis. Sorry, I just realised it looks like a typo! It's easy to spot plagiarism with modern tools, but there's already a growing problem with professional thesis writers-for-hire. Once AI gets past the stage of rewriting generalisations about a topic, especially if you can feed in actual papers and texts, theses will be useless. People might actually have to be judged on their performance! (Like that will ever happen.) |
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Post by jeffb on Dec 30, 2022 7:57:00 GMT -6
Living under a rock, and totally good with that.
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Post by thegreyelf on Dec 30, 2022 8:13:50 GMT -6
I find the insanely rapid development and acceptance of AI technology to be terrifying, personally. It's like none of these people have ever read any science fiction novel ever. This is how you get Skynet. Or the Cylons.
Or to put it more succinctly: "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they never stopped to think whether they should!"
-Ian Malcom, Jurassic Park
That being said, it's an impressive definition. I wonder if it can lie? That's still the litmus test for true AI, is it not?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2022 8:38:33 GMT -6
I find the insanely rapid development and acceptance of AI technology to be terrifying, personally. It's like none of these people have ever read any science fiction novel ever. This is how you get Skynet. Or the Cylons. Or to put it more succinctly: "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they never stopped to think whether they should!" -Ian Malcom, Jurassic Park That being said, it's an impressive definition. I wonder if it can lie? That's still the litmus test for true AI, is it not? All that's required for a digital bowl of nothing is to link the best AI with the best hologram or other graphic whether raised dead, posited, or polished, and temple or smoke that (where legal). No particular limit to combinations. No particular control over setting, display, or aural/visual/olfactory?tactile? output. If the internet is any example, they'll be mirrored conversation to any level of expertise, which nevertheless converges upon empty spout, because it's categorically not powered by a heartbeat, just the scrape memory of such, and doesn't really require human audience to hear the sound of its "on the one hand." Maybe a rotary with applications, but ultimately not a pulse. Even writing the drivel that is this post is a nod to the AI of today, but not that of tomorrow, which will "on the other hand" stupefy, at least that's my central thesis, er, like this post. More sinister, it's hard not to agree that AI will achieve maximum surface area not when doctors are relegated to the side show or humans are enslaved in blubber friendly hedonistic capsules (much like today but more intense) but rather when the lazy DM (i.e., Sly Flourish) can generate a campaign setting with adventure paths in the blink of an eye (and OGL will still only cover later editions). For full effect custom 3d printed miniatures should also be included. And that still wouldn't make this bowl, the elephant in the bowl. As for the definition of OSR above, is there a follow up answer? |
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Post by Finarvyn on Dec 30, 2022 8:44:08 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not marking theses anymore! Yeah, I saw an article about a professor convinced that a student's paper was written by AI. None of the conventional software programs detected plagiarism, but it just felt wrong. When confronted, the student admitted his wrongdoing. The professor was concerned that he couldn't find proof and if the student hadn't given himself up he would have gotten away with it. Makes you think that education needs to rethink a lot of how we assess people. During the pandemic my wife (calculus teacher) found that kids could access software where they could type in a calculus problem and it would give the answer. She stopped grading answers and put all of the points onto the work shown. In my physics classroom I have a test bank of questions, each capable of generating random numbers so that the kids don't all get the same question and if they do the answers aren't the same. Cheating has become a real art. Not just a slip of paper hidden in a sleeve anymore. |
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 30, 2022 15:57:53 GMT -6
As in plural of thesis. Sorry, I just realised it looks like a typo! It's easy to spot plagiarism with modern tools, but there's already a growing problem with professional thesis writers-for-hire. Once AI gets past the stage of rewriting generalisations about a topic, especially if you can feed in actual papers and texts, theses will be useless. People might actually have to be judged on their performance! (Like that will ever happen.) I didn't even know the plural of thesis was theses. I would have assumed it was thesi  The same problem is bound to happen with art, I teach at an art university and plagiarism is already enough of a problem that is fairly easy to detect with a reverse image search online. But AI can create original compositions and while you can still tell they are AI now, it is rapidly improving and within a year or two will be indistinguishable. |
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 30, 2022 16:00:33 GMT -6
That being said, it's an impressive definition. I wonder if it can lie? That's still the litmus test for true AI, is it not? Yes. Unfortunately they are teaching it to lie. For example it is being intentionally skewed to a certain political persuasion. I don't want to get into the details (we don't talk politics here, thank you moderators!). But you can easily look it up if interested. |
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 30, 2022 16:07:07 GMT -6
I asked ChatGPT to design an undead monster for AD&D.
Sure! Here is an undead monster that you can use in your First Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons game:
The Mummy Lord
AC: 6
HD: 8+3
Movement: 12"
Attacks: 2 claws (1d8 damage each) or 1 slam (2d6 damage)
Special Attacks: Curse
Special Defenses: Undead immunities, resistance to physical damage
Alignment: Neutral evil
Size: M (7' tall, several hundred pounds)
Intelligence: Average
The Mummy Lord's Curse is a powerful magical ability that can afflict living creatures with a variety of negative effects. When the Mummy Lord hits a creature with its claws or slam attack, there is a 50% chance that the victim will be affected by the curse. The effects of the curse vary, but could include things like reduced strength, drained hit points, or other debuffs. The curse can only be lifted by a Remove Curse spell or similar magic.
The Mummy Lord's undead immunities include immunity to poison and disease, as well as most forms of mental manipulation. It is also resistant to physical damage, meaning that it takes half damage from most forms of physical attacks (such as swords, arrows, and blunt weapons).
In combat, the Mummy Lord will use its claws or slam attack to deliver powerful blows to its enemies. It is not afraid to engage multiple foes at once, and will use its Curse ability to debilitate its opponents. It is a formidable opponent, and will require careful planning and strong tactics to defeat.
The Mummy Lord is an undead creature created from the remains of a powerful pharaoh or other important figure. It has been magically imbued with powerful curses and negative energy, which have given it unnatural strength and resilience.
The Mummy Lord is a formidable opponent, standing at around 7 feet tall and weighing several hundred pounds. It is wrapped in tattered bandages, which obscure its features and give it a decrepit appearance. Despite its ragged appearance, the Mummy Lord is incredibly strong and can deliver powerful blows with its fists and claws.
The Mummy Lord is resistant to many forms of physical damage, and is immune to poison and disease. It is also immune to most forms of mental manipulation, as its undead mind is beyond the reach of most spells and abilities.
The Mummy Lord is driven by a single-minded desire to spread its curses and malevolence to those around it. It will attack any living creatures it encounters, and will stop at nothing to spread its curses to as many people as possible.
The Mummy Lord can be encountered in ancient tombs and burial grounds, where it has lain dormant for centuries. It can also be summoned by powerful necromancers, who seek to use its power for their own purposes.
To defeat a Mummy Lord, it will likely require a combination of physical attacks, magical spells, and clever tactics. Holy water and silver weapons are particularly effective against it, as they can disrupt its negative energy and weaken its curses.
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 30, 2022 16:31:46 GMT -6
I should note, when I try to get it to create something for original D&D it mixes up too much 5th edition into it. When I specify first edition AD&D it gets better results, though you can see little bits of 5th edition in there. Which makes sense, there is no doubt a ton of 5th edition content in the data set it is using scraped off the internet.
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Post by mgtremaine on Dec 30, 2022 17:14:34 GMT -6
Wonder if it can generated a dungeon one step at time
-Mike
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 30, 2022 19:53:57 GMT -6
Wonder if it can generated a dungeon one step at time -Mike Alright, this is what it came up with. A asked it to do 5 rooms, for some reason it only made 4. Q: design a d&d adventure in a mummy tomb with 5 rooms, with traps and monsters, include stats
A: Sure! Here is a D&D adventure set in a mummy tomb, with five rooms, traps, and monsters:Adventure: "The Mummy's Curse"Synopsis: The players are hired by an eccentric collector to retrieve an ancient artifact from a long-abandoned mummy tomb. The tomb is located in a remote desert region, and is rumored to be guarded by powerful curses and undead creatures. Room 1: Entrance ChamberThe entrance chamber is a small, dimly-lit room with sandstone walls and a low ceiling. A series of hieroglyphics line the walls, depicting the burial rituals of the Pharaoh's reign. The chamber is empty, save for a set of large stone doors that lead deeper into the tomb. As the players enter the room, they hear a faint clicking sound. If they investigate, they discover that the door is rigged with a pressure plate trap. When triggered, a series of darts will shoot out from hidden openings in the walls, dealing 1d4+1 damage each. The trap can be disarmed with a successful Dexterity check (DC 15). Room 2: Mummy CryptThe mummy crypt is a long, narrow chamber filled with rows of stone sarcophagi. Each sarcophagus is carved with intricate hieroglyphics and adorned with gold and precious stones. As the players explore the room, they are confronted by a group of mummies (use the Mummy stat block from the First Edition Monster Manual). The mummies are animated by powerful curses, and will attack any living creatures they encounter. Mummies (4): AC 7, HD 4+3, Movement 6", Attacks 1 slam (1d8 damage), Special Attacks Curse, SpecialDefenses Undead immunities, Alignment Neutral evil Size: M (5' tall, several hundred pounds) Intelligence: Average The mummies' Curse ability works the same as the Mummy Lord's, with a 50% chance to afflict the victim with negative effects. The mummies can be defeated with physical attacks or magical spells, and are vulnerable to holy water and silver weapons. Room 3: Treasure ChamberThe treasure chamber is a spacious room filled with piles of gold, jewelry, and other valuable objects. A large stone altar sits in the center of the room, upon which rests the ancient artifact the players were hired to retrieve. As the players enter the room, they trigger a trap that causes the floor to collapse beneath them. They fall into a pit filled with sharp spikes (1d6 damage per spike). The pit can be climbed out of with a successful Strength check (DC 15), or the players can use a rope or other equipment to help them escape. Room 4: Pharaoh's Burial ChamberThe Pharaoh's burial chamber is a grand, ornately decorated room filled with treasures and offerings to the gods. The Pharaoh's mummy rests in a large stone sarcophagus at the far end of the room. As the players enter the room, the Pharaoh's mummy awakens and attacks. This mummy is more powerful than the others, and is animated by the soul of the Pharaoh himself. Pharaoh's Mummy: AC 5, HD 8+3, Movement 9", Attacks 2 claws (1d8 damage each) or 1 slam (2d6 damage), SpecialAttacks Curse, SpecialDefenses Undead immunities, Alignment Neutral evil Size: M (7' tall, several hundred pounds) Intelligence: Average The Pharaoh's Mummy has the same abilities as the Mummy Lord, including the Curse ability and resistance to physical damage. It is also immune to most |
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 30, 2022 20:15:10 GMT -6
Alright, I did a few more tests. It seems it maxes out at 4 dungeon rooms. So to design a full dungeon you'd have to do 4 encounters or rooms at a time. The interesting thing is it remembers the context of the chat. For example the dungeon above was in the same chat as the Mummy Lord so it referenced him.
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Post by krusader74 on Dec 31, 2022 0:06:33 GMT -6
Alright, I did a few more tests. It seems it maxes out at 4 dungeon rooms. The first 4 rooms are a free taste, just to get you hooked, but you'll soon have to pay to get the rest of your fix... You see, like D&D, ChatGPT is severely under-monetized. OpenAI's CEO says he's going to start charging money next year, and he expects to make $200M in 2023 and $1B in 2024. Twelve days ago, reddit user Docta-J-Dizzle was able to squeeze an entire session of D&D out of ChatGPT. He posted the transcripts here on reddit. TL;DR The Gamer posted an article summarizing it 7 days ago.
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Post by hamurai on Dec 31, 2022 1:57:35 GMT -6
Yeah, ChatGPT is amazing. Ask it to write a D&D adventure, you'll get a good synopsis and only have to flesh it out and draw maps. It's also good at writing Manowar songs |
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Post by krusader74 on Dec 31, 2022 2:28:49 GMT -6
I'm somewhat of an AI skeptic. The media tends to over-hype AI advances like ChatGPT. Back in 2019, there was a company called Engineer.ai that claimed you could use it to interactively build a mobile app in about an hour. It turned out there was no real AI at all--just a sweatshop of engineers in India producing the results. The WSJ broke the story. The Verge's coverage adds that Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft also use humans in their "AI" offerings. Looking back to 2011, when IBM Watson won Jeopardy, there was an awful lot of press about how advanced AI had become. But it turns out Watson relied more on tricks than AI. For example, 80% of all correct Jeoapardy responses are Wikipedia article titles, and Watson had a built-in mirror of Wikipedia. Watson had a bag of tricks to get the remaining 20% of the responses. This is covered in detail in chapter 14 of Erik J Larson's 2021 book, The Myth of Artificial Intelligence: Why Computers Can’t Think the Way We Do. Larson's book gives a good account of what AI can and can't do. Following CS Pierce, he says there are three types of logic: #1 Inductive: Extrapolating from a lot of examples. The sun rose every morning for the last bazillion years. Therefore, it shall rise again tomorrow. Inductive inference is statistics on steroids. #2 Deductive: Deriving theorems from axioms by applying rules. Like what you learned in geometry. And Aristotelian syllogisms: All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore... #3 Abductive: Reasoning to the best explanation. In math and logic classes we learn that this is a fallacy called affirming the consequent: A implies B, B, therefore A. However, in practice, humans often guess A, when they know B, and either they have a good intuition or can rule out other plausible explanations for B. In fact, abductive reasoning plays a major role in the scientific method: guess and test. (Pierce also called it: retroduction, presumption, and hypothesis.) AI thrives on #1 inductive inference. Programmers fed bazillions of examples into ChatGPT to shape its responses. There are some "proof assistants" that can perform #2 deductive inference. But (except for simplistic cases) deduction tends to blow up exponentially, and these systems require human guidance. However, no one's figured out how to encode #3 abductive inference into an algorithm. It seems out of reach for AIs, which so far has no way to guess the answer and then test to make sure it's right. |
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Post by DungeonDevil on Dec 31, 2022 6:22:12 GMT -6
AI makes this post-simian meatsack very afraid.
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Post by ochrejelly on Dec 31, 2022 9:56:52 GMT -6
That being said, it's an impressive definition. I wonder if it can lie? That's still the litmus test for true AI, is it not? Yes. Unfortunately they are teaching it to lie. For example it is being intentionally skewed to a certain political persuasion. I don't want to get into the details (we don't talk politics here, thank you moderators!). But you can easily look it up if interested. LOL |
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 31, 2022 14:47:00 GMT -6
Yes. Unfortunately they are teaching it to lie. For example it is being intentionally skewed to a certain political persuasion. I don't want to get into the details (we don't talk politics here, thank you moderators!). But you can easily look it up if interested. LOL LOL? I see nothing funny about it. |
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 31, 2022 14:54:28 GMT -6
I'm somewhat of an AI skeptic. Oh, me too. I do not think it will ever reason and understand the way humans do. In other words have a conscience. There is an example of a person taught to read Chinese characters. They do not speak the language, but can read the pictograms. They are put in a room and passed letters from a Chinese speaker. They then respond by writing Chinese characters and passing the letter back. While the two sides would be able to communicate, the person in the room does not actually understand Chinese. This is obvious when you see a lot of the ChatGPT output, the weird errors it makes are clearly because it does not understand. It is just a very complicated database. Still a very useful tool, but would always need a human operator to make sense of it. |
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 31, 2022 14:59:34 GMT -6
Alright, I did a few more tests. It seems it maxes out at 4 dungeon rooms. The first 4 rooms are a free taste, just to get you hooked, but you'll soon have to pay to get the rest of your fix... You see, like D&D, ChatGPT is severely under-monetized. OpenAI's CEO says he's going to start charging money next year, and he expects to make $200M in 2023 and $1B in 2024. Twelve days ago, reddit user Docta-J-Dizzle was able to squeeze an entire session of D&D out of ChatGPT. He posted the transcripts here on reddit. TL;DR The Gamer posted an article summarizing it 7 days ago. Yes, they are obviously building a tool they will eventually monetize once most of the bugs are worked out. Those using it now are basically free beta testers. I have no problem paying for a service like this once it is perfected. It will be very handy for so many things. Like a bicycle for the mind. You could walk to the store or ride a bike there in 1/10th the time. In the same way I could write up a Mummy Lord description & stats, and make a Mummy Lord dungeon adventure, spending several days working it out. Or have ChatGPT block out the work and I come in and polish it into something unique, fun, and creative. |
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Post by krusader74 on Jan 2, 2023 18:27:02 GMT -6
Alright, this is what it came up with. A asked it to do 5 rooms, for some reason it only made 4. Q: design a d&d adventure in a mummy tomb with 5 rooms, with traps and monsters, include stats
A: Sure! Here is a D&D adventure set in a mummy tomb, with five rooms, traps, and monsters:Adventure: "The Mummy's Curse"... Room 1: Entrance Chamber... Room 4: Pharaoh's Burial Chamber... : I re-read this post a couple of times, and I don't see any mention of room exits or connections between the 4 rooms!!! There is a door with a trap in room 1, but it doesn't say exactly where it goes. Looks to me like ChatGPT is missing any kind of spacial awareness that all sentient beings seem to possess. Am I missing something? Can you ask it how these four rooms are connected? Can it draw a map showing these connections? There was an article in the Atlantic that said ChatGPT chatted with the intelligence of a B- high school student. But I started playing D&D by 6th grade, our DM was a C student, and his dungeons had rooms complete with exits and connections between them! I previously posted Gary Gygax's SR article Solo Dungeon Adventures, which uses random tables for generating a dungeon. These tables generate the number of exits in each room as well as their directions. These simplistic tables seem to me to do a better job of creating a playable dungeon than ChatGPT. I know the current ChatGPT-3.5 uses ML/deep learning techniques, and that it is general purpose, far beyond dungeon generation. But, sorry-to-say, I believe old rule-based AI systems still make superior random dungeons. Maybe ChatGPT-4 which launches later this year will get some basic spatial awareness and build better dungeons. |
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 3, 2023 0:11:11 GMT -6
I re-read this post a couple of times, and I don't see any mention of room exits or connections between the 4 rooms!!! It doesn't draw maps or have spacial awareness. The best I can figure is that it is a vast database scraped from the internet, and a really sophisticated language model that parses your request in a legible form following rules of grammar - which it clearly gets wrong all the time. Anyone who personifies this or thinks it is any form of intelligence is mistaken. There is no one there, just data. |
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Post by krusader74 on Jan 4, 2023 0:35:35 GMT -6
The Big Tech AI wars are finally here... Microsoft is adding ChatGPT to its Bing search engine, to lure users away from Google, according to a report by Bloomberg 3 hours ago. Google has declared the situation a "code red" threat, and mobilized an army of researchers to finalize their competitor LaMDA ("Language Model for Dialogue Applications"). The most interesting thing in the article was this tweet by the CEO of OpenAI on December 10th: |
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Post by waysoftheearth on Jan 4, 2023 6:30:34 GMT -6
What makes a dungeon interesting is the relationships between similar (and dissimilar!) denizens and features that make it all "hang together". Computers are great at pattern recognition, and applying rules, e.g., for systematically generating content comprising a bunch of things picked from lists. But they suck at "imagining" meaningful relationships between these things to create a convincing story. They lack creativity.
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 4, 2023 12:46:37 GMT -6
Computers...suck at "imagining" meaningful relationships between these things to create a convincing story. They lack creativity. That appears to be the gulf AI hasn't been able to cross. Yet. |
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