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Post by tdenmark on Dec 29, 2021 16:59:47 GMT -6
Since no one else started it, I thought I'd get it going. Episode 1 Stranger in a Strange Land It was pure fan service, so of course I loved it. Overall the episode was just ok. As you'd expect it just kind of sets things up.
Seeing Boba Fett escape the Sarlack pit is something I've wanted to see since 1983! It was as cool as expected.
That creature they uncover in the sand was so Thark inspired! Clearly Barsoomian.
I don't know why Fett didn't use his jetpack when surrounded by those guys with shields.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 17:04:27 GMT -6
Did you notice the clear Harryhausen influence on the Thark-like creature? It resembled the Kraken from Clash of the Titans very strongly. This was the second direct Harryhausen reference I've seen in Star Wars over the past few years. The claymation crane on the water planet in Mandalorian was the other. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 17:49:30 GMT -6
Also Friggin' Jawas, man. Between this and Mandalorian, I hate the little buggers more than ever. On the other side of the coin, the Tusken Raiders getting fleshed out across multiple shows has been a treat. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 19:23:22 GMT -6
So, the episode was just ok.
I felt like the combat with the shield guys was too long, the music quite boring so it didn't had emotion.
If you make things too long it starts getting predictable. If it was short and dirty it could have been more surprising. (And a more exciting background music)
I guess that sometimes it's all about eye candy but... I hope to see more thrilling combats and not only eye candy scenes.
Love the Tusken Raiders.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 10:31:37 GMT -6
Here's some more things I appreciate about this show so far after thinking it through and having some discussions with others.
Boba just barely scraping by, surviving as best he can and repeatedly getting his @ss handed to him is more realistic than making him an ultimate bad@ss. This character has been partially digested, left to rot in the desert suns of Tattooine and is being portrayed by a sixty year old actor. I wouldn't expect ultimate action hero energy here.
His chemistry with his sidekick/master assassin is enjoyable. They work good alongside one another. Like him, the actress is an older person, as well. Don't they look awesome for their age?
I've enjoyed seeing Mos Espa from TPM in more detail, and a few more details about the day to day operations of a Daimyo. You only really saw a little of Jabba in ROTJ.
I appreciate they had the audacity to show flashbacks to AOTC and firmly connect this to the prequels. AOTC is widely considered the weakest entry in the PT but I think it had its moments and they'd might as well acknowledge Jango, Kamino and all that out of the gate.
The Gamorean guards are going to be favorites of mine, I can tell. They really came in clutch.
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Post by Mushgnome on Jan 1, 2022 11:15:28 GMT -6
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 1, 2022 12:57:54 GMT -6
Here's some more things I appreciate about this show so far after thinking it through and having some discussions with others.
Boba just barely scraping by, surviving as best he can and repeatedly getting his @ss handed to him is more realistic than making him an ultimate bad@ss. This character has been partially digested, left to rot in the desert suns of Tattooine and is being portrayed by a sixty year old actor. I wouldn't expect ultimate action hero energy here.
His chemistry with his sidekick/master assassin is enjoyable. They work good alongside one another. Like him, the actress is an older person, as well. Don't they look awesome for their age?
I've enjoyed seeing Mos Espa from TPM in more detail, and a few more details about the day to day operations of a Daimyo. You only really saw a little of Jabba in ROTJ.
I appreciate they had the audacity to show flashbacks to AOTC and firmly connect this to the prequels. AOTC is widely considered the weakest entry in the PT but I think it had its moments and they'd might as well acknowledge Jango, Kamino and all that out of the gate.
The Gamorean guards are going to be favorites of mine, I can tell. They really came in clutch.
Agreed. Characters who earn their stripes are always more likable than those who haven't earned their place. Yep. Embracing the prequels is a good idea, love them or hate them they are part of SW history now. The sequels showed us just how bad it can be, and how difficult it is to make a good SW movie. And we do have a generation who loved the prequels as kids and are grown up now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 8:06:23 GMT -6
Yep. Embracing the prequels is a good idea, love them or hate them they are part of SW history now. The sequels showed us just how bad it can be, and how difficult it is to make a good SW movie. And we do have a generation who loved the prequels as kids and are grown up now. I think that The Phantom Menace was a very good movie, but I guess that's maybe the most hated one? It's in fact one of my favourites.
I really like this assassin girl, when she showed up again after supposedly dead in The Mandalorian I cheered up so hard on her!
I agree about the "badass" thing, I just like how they can survive and go through things based on clever moves, that's include Din Djarin.
They can't compete with Jedi using brute "Force", but they're clever and full of tricks and tools, and that's all about "Mandalorians" to me.
The Force is cool and everything, but Star Wars... it's so much more!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 8:14:46 GMT -6
Honestly, I kind of feel like the Force is a passive thing as well. Most people who fall into a Sarlaac don't come out again. You might say Boba is lucky but there's no such thing as luck in Star Wars. "Blessed" is a better word. It's like in the old Star Wars d6 roleplaying game. Even non-Jedi characters have Force points. He had a get out of jail free card and used it. Same with what happened to Fennec Shand. She was gut-shot and left for dead in the desert. She had plenty of time to die before Boba found her and rebuilt her (probably with the help of the spider monks at Jabba's palace. I suspect we'll get more details later.) but she survived. I think that was more than fortitude on her part. I think it was because the Galaxy decided these people still had a bigger role to play.
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 2, 2022 12:07:35 GMT -6
Yep. Embracing the prequels is a good idea, love them or hate them they are part of SW history now. The sequels showed us just how bad it can be, and how difficult it is to make a good SW movie. And we do have a generation who loved the prequels as kids and are grown up now. I think that The Phantom Menace was a very good movie, but I guess that's maybe the most hated one? It's in fact one of my favourites.
I really like this assassin girl, when she showed up again after supposedly dead in The Mandalorian I cheered up so hard on her!
I agree about the "badass" thing, I just like how they can survive and go through things based on clever moves, that's include Din Djarin.
They can't compete with Jedi using brute "Force", but they're clever and full of tricks and tools, and that's all about "Mandalorians" to me.
The Force is cool and everything, but Star Wars... it's so much more!
I will say this about the Phantom Menace, when you think of the most memorable scenes from the prequels they are almost all from TPM. Like Darth Maul, Podracers, and Naboo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 12:37:03 GMT -6
I think that The Phantom Menace was a very good movie, but I guess that's maybe the most hated one? It's in fact one of my favourites.
I really like this assassin girl, when she showed up again after supposedly dead in The Mandalorian I cheered up so hard on her!
I agree about the "badass" thing, I just like how they can survive and go through things based on clever moves, that's include Din Djarin.
They can't compete with Jedi using brute "Force", but they're clever and full of tricks and tools, and that's all about "Mandalorians" to me.
The Force is cool and everything, but Star Wars... it's so much more!
I will say this about the Phantom Menace, when you think of the most memorable scenes from the prequels they are almost all from TPM. Like Darth Maul, Podracers, and Naboo. I dunno, man, I'm a Palpatine guy and Ian McDiarmid really hammed it up in ROTS. I agree for the most part, though. TPM was definitely the stronger film between the first two of them. |
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 2, 2022 14:37:39 GMT -6
I dunno, man, I'm a Palpatine guy and Ian McDiarmid really hammed it up in ROTS. I agree for the most part, though. TPM was definitely the stronger film between the first two of them. Certainly! There are some memorable scenes from the other films. I was trying to be careful by saying "almost all". I think I like Revenge of the Sith the best of the prequels. There was a time I hated them all. Then I just kind of disliked them. The sequels made me say you know the prequels weren't that bad after all. Also Clone Wars did a lot to rehabilitate the prequels. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 8:03:12 GMT -6
Some episode 2 thoughts
Live action Hutts and Wookiee! Looking good.
Love that Boba is being a bit more ruthless now, trolling the assassin with the rancor.
The way they're fleshing out the Tusken culture is really great. Boba training them to use swoop bikes was awesome.
This is so Western. We got a straight up train robbery. The stop-motion engineer droid was my favorite part.
"Spice? What spice, boss?" *literally falls out of the train* Best part.
Spirit lizard guide! Now we see where the gaffi sticks come from. Very shamanic and cool.
Looking forward to seeing how he went from joining the tribe to getting his armor back.
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Post by Mushgnome on Jan 5, 2022 11:58:08 GMT -6
I loved Ep 2!
How much do you want to bet, the Wookie ends up becoming a "good guy" by the end of the season.
The stick-fighting scenes were especially resonant if you've seen Tem Morrison's breakout film "Once Were Warriors," which has a memorable scene involving the Maori taiaha weapon.
The one small structural change I would have made, would be to bring the episode back around to the present day, instead of ending the episode inside the flash-back. One of my favorite things about the OT is its lack of flashbacks and non-linear storytelling. For example in ANH, when Obi Wan first tells Luke about his father, a lot of directors would have gone to a flashback there, but Lucas chose not to, and I thought it was better storytelling, that the audience tries to "read" what happened from Alec Guinness' face. So, I would be a teensy bit disappointed if Book of Boba Fett continues to be 50% flashback, the entire season. I hope the flashbacks catch up to the present-tense in the next episode or two.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 12:06:40 GMT -6
I loved Ep 2!
How much do you want to bet, the Wookie ends up becoming a "good guy" by the end of the season.
The stick-fighting scenes were especially resonant if you've seen Tem Morrison's breakout film "Once Were Warriors," which has a memorable scene involving the Maori taiaha weapon.
The one small structural change I would have made, would be to bring the episode back around to the present day, instead of ending the episode inside the flash-back. One of my favorite things about the OT is its lack of flashbacks and non-linear storytelling. For example in ANH, when Obi Wan first tells Luke about his father, a lot of directors would have gone to a flashback there, but Lucas chose not to, and I thought it was better storytelling, that the audience tries to "read" what happened from Alec Guinness' face. So, I would be a teensy bit disappointed if Book of Boba Fett continues to be 50% flashback, the entire season. I hope the flashbacks catch up to the present-tense in the next episode or two.
I feel like the flashback timeline is bound to catch up to where he comes into Mandalorian sooner or later. He has more or less the same look at the end of this that he does when he saves Fennec and sees Mando fly off with his dad's armor. We know he lives with the sand people for at least five years for it to line up properly but we probably will skip through to the high points on that.
I don't read the Dr. Aphra comic books but I've been informed the Wookiee character is a bounty hunter from those comics and he's supposed to be a formidable foe. He and Fett know one another, hence Fett's dismissive words.
I love all the Maori heritage and clear parallels to all indigenous people they've given the Sand People. As a person with Native American heritage and an interest in their rituals, the spirit journey was especially satisfying to watch. |
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Post by Mushgnome on Jan 5, 2022 12:26:33 GMT -6
For no particular reason, here's some vintage Temuera Morrison for your viewing pleasure. @ampleframework... thanks for letting me know that about the wookie character. If he's an established bounty hunter character, then that seals the deal for me: I demand that he team up with Boba and Mando at some point. He can be Cara Dune's replacement as the party's "muscle."
The only thing potentially cuter than Baby Yoda, would be Baby Yoda cradled in a wookie's arms.
In my head-canon, Chewbacca is the most legendary wookie EVER, therefore every wookie in the universe knows about Boba Fett and thinks of him as a villain (based on his interactions with Chewie in the OT).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 12:31:45 GMT -6
For no particular reason, here's some vintage Temuera Morrison for your viewing pleasure. @ampleframework ... thanks for letting me know that about the wookie character. If he's an established bounty hunter character, then that seals the deal for me: I demand that he team up with Boba and Mando at some point. He can be Cara Dune's replacement as the party's "muscle."
The only think potentially cuter than Baby Yoda, would be Baby Yoda cradled in a wookie's arms.
In my head-canon, Chewbacca is the most legendary wookie EVER, therefore every wookie in the universe knows about Boba Fett and thinks of him as a villain (based on his interactions with Chewie in the OT).
Thanks. I love Tem. If you remember, old action figures and art work of Boba always showed him with Wookiee braids, and the Trandoshian ambassador in chapter 1 of this show offered him a Wookiee pelt as tribute. Boba's animosity with Wookiees in general is famous. Giving him a Wookiee antagonist in this show could work out very well, especially if Boba's time with the sand people changed his views about "primitive" people. There could be a heel/face turn for the Wookiee at some point. The Hutts on the other hand will eventually have to be appeased or taken out. They're a big problem. |
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Post by Mushgnome on Jan 5, 2022 12:51:18 GMT -6
Are you familiar with the "Mandela effect?" I'm totally freaking out over here about the... ..wookie braids on Boba Fett's costume. I hopped on Google to find the evidence and prove that you're wrong, that Boba Fett doesn't have wookie braids on his armor. And lo and behold, I enter this parallel universe where Boba Fett indeed does have wookie braids, always has! Son of a gun. You taught an old Star Wars fan something new today. My Kenner action figure definitely didn't have the braids, but then again, those weren't always totally accurate to the movies. For example Luke/Han/Leia didn't look much like their actual actors. I remember the original Boba Fett action figure was a big deal; it wasn't available in stores, you had to send away for it. The thing you have to remember about being a kid back then, is that there was no VHS yet, so if you missed the movie in the theater, the only way to "watch" the movie, was by playing with the toys, with a friend who had seen the movie. I don't think I ever even saw A New Hope (I would have been a little too young) even though it was my "favorite movie." I just knew the plot and characters, from playing with the toys. (Empire Strikes Back, I definitely remember seeing in the theater. That wampa scene on Hoth was a good jump scare for a little kid!) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 13:24:24 GMT -6
I learned about the braids in the Empire Strikes Back visual dictionary and the old RPG source books. Like the knee rockets. They were always part of his design but they weren't really highlighted in the movies much and most action figures didn't replicate them. It's one of those 10,000 little "blink and you miss it" details in Star Wars. I remember having talks with kids at school about how bad@ass it would be to see Boba hunting Wookiees. It was a known thing. I think it got brought up in some of the old EU books too and we kind of absorbed it through osmosis. This was a younger bunch of kids who grew up with the VHS, video games and laserdiscs, though. It was around this time that I learned interesting things about the Hutt species as well, which I believe are still canon. For one Hutts are hermaphrodites. They change gender at will every so many decades. Jabba died during his "male phase" but he had been a woman previously. He fathered his own child at one point but apparently the kid wasn't in line to inherit his empire. Makes me wonder what happened to Rotta the Hutt. |
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Post by Mushgnome on Jan 5, 2022 13:38:55 GMT -6
You're blowing my mind with these details! Have you seen The Bad Batch? There's a character from Bad Batch I really, really, really hope makes an appearance in Book of Boba Fett: Muchi the baby rancor!!
Just kidding, the character I actually mean is:
Omega (as an adult)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 14:24:18 GMT -6
Considering their family connection I'd be surprised if they didn't cross over at some point. I hope to see Muchi more grown up as well. Boba needs his own Rancor.
I wonder how Thrawn will tie in? He was in Rebels, mentioned in Mandalorian and we see Mount Tantiss at the conclusion of Bad Batch. It looks like they're re-contextualizing the Heir to the Empire storyline, slightly differently in the Canon timeline. That might not cross over much into the "underworld" shows but I hear Disney are planning on making Thrawn the "Thanos" figure of the SW universe. He'll eventually have his hand in everything as he gathers power and resources. |
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 5, 2022 16:58:30 GMT -6
I learned about the braids in the Empire Strikes Back visual dictionary and the old RPG source books. Like the knee rockets. They were always part of his design but they weren't really highlighted in the movies much and most action figures didn't replicate them. It's one of those 10,000 little "blink and you miss it" details in Star Wars. I remember having talks with kids at school about how bad@ass it would be to see Boba hunting Wookiees. It was a known thing. I think it got brought up in some of the old EU books too and we kind of absorbed it through osmosis. This was a younger bunch of kids who grew up with the VHS, video games and laserdiscs, though. It was around this time that I learned interesting things about the Hutt species as well, which I believe are still canon. For one Hutts are hermaphrodites. They change gender at will every so many decades. Jabba died during his "male phase" but he had been a woman previously. He fathered his own child at one point but apparently the kid wasn't in line to inherit his empire. Makes me wonder what happened to Rotta the Hutt. One of the things I've been loving about The Mandalorian, The Clone Wars, and now The Book of Boba Fett is the respect for the Expanded Universe. The Sequels baffled me, why were they throwing away 40 years of lore that was built up in the fan base's minds? Why did Disney even buy Star Wars? The Intellectual Property is everything, not the surface glamour. That's what I felt when visiting Star Wars land in Disneyland. I just felt sad about the missed opportunity. At least the Millennium Falcon was well done. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 17:56:21 GMT -6
I learned about the braids in the Empire Strikes Back visual dictionary and the old RPG source books. Like the knee rockets. They were always part of his design but they weren't really highlighted in the movies much and most action figures didn't replicate them. It's one of those 10,000 little "blink and you miss it" details in Star Wars. I remember having talks with kids at school about how bad@ass it would be to see Boba hunting Wookiees. It was a known thing. I think it got brought up in some of the old EU books too and we kind of absorbed it through osmosis. This was a younger bunch of kids who grew up with the VHS, video games and laserdiscs, though. It was around this time that I learned interesting things about the Hutt species as well, which I believe are still canon. For one Hutts are hermaphrodites. They change gender at will every so many decades. Jabba died during his "male phase" but he had been a woman previously. He fathered his own child at one point but apparently the kid wasn't in line to inherit his empire. Makes me wonder what happened to Rotta the Hutt. One of the things I've been loving about The Mandalorian, The Clone Wars, and now The Book of Boba Fett is the respect for the Expanded Universe. The Sequels baffled me, why were they throwing away 40 years of lore that was built up in the fan base's minds? Why did Disney even buy Star Wars? The Intellectual Property is everything, not the surface glamour. That's what I felt when visiting Star Wars land in Disneyland. I just felt sad about the missed opportunity. At least the Millennium Falcon was well done. Seems like in the comics, new books and tv shows, they're going out of their way to re-integrate elements of the EU whenever plausible. The timeline is obviously different now but individual elements of lore, like what aliens are from what planets and how certain technology works, keeps getting re-integrated, and certain characters in new contexts, like Thrawn. There's still potential for them to tie things together nicely and steer us away from questionable decisions they made in the main films. |
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Post by Mushgnome on Jan 5, 2022 18:44:40 GMT -6
Fun little trivia fact: According to IMDB, the actor who plays the... ... Tusken Warrior is Joanna Bennett. That may not be a familiar name, but you've definitely seen her before! She was Gal Gadot's stunt double in Wonder Woman, Brie Larson's stunt double in Captain Marvel, and the list goes on and on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 20:10:03 GMT -6
This episode was complete epicness to me!
I'm loving the Tusken Warrior story and I'm also very pleased with all the tribal elements.
The only thing I didn't enjoyed was they revealing the chamber was empty, it would be a nice revelation for something like the last episode, but not now, they should have keep it a secret to keep using it as a factor for intimidation... Now the public already know it's empty so any other scene like that will seems like artificial and uninteresting/predictable.
I really hope the Wookie to not end being a good guy, we need cool antagonists and this is a very good antagonist to have until the end of the season, at minimum!
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 6, 2022 0:03:07 GMT -6
#2 was a great episode. I'm excited about where things are going now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 7:40:50 GMT -6
This episode was complete epicness to me!
I'm loving the Tusken Warrior story and I'm also very pleased with all the tribal elements.
The only thing I didn't enjoyed was they revealing the chamber was empty, it would be a nice revelation for something like the last episode, but not now, they should have keep it a secret to keep using it as a factor for intimidation... Now the public already know it's empty so any other scene like that will seems like artificial and uninteresting/predictable.
I really hope the Wookie to not end being a good guy, we need cool antagonists and this is a very good antagonist to have until the end of the season, at minimum!
I think they showed us the Rancor pit was empty to foreshadow Boba getting a monster. It's like the "we need a protocol droid" line. He's listing off things Jabba had that he still lacks. I believe we'll see him slowly build up the palace over the season.
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 6, 2022 11:54:08 GMT -6
This episode was complete epicness to me!
I'm loving the Tusken Warrior story and I'm also very pleased with all the tribal elements.
The only thing I didn't enjoyed was they revealing the chamber was empty, it would be a nice revelation for something like the last episode, but not now, they should have keep it a secret to keep using it as a factor for intimidation... Now the public already know it's empty so any other scene like that will seems like artificial and uninteresting/predictable.
I really hope the Wookie to not end being a good guy, we need cool antagonists and this is a very good antagonist to have until the end of the season, at minimum!
I think they showed us the Rancor pit was empty to foreshadow Boba getting a monster. It's like the "we need a protocol droid" line. He's listing off things Jabba had that he still lacks. I believe we'll see him slowly build up the palace over the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 11:58:21 GMT -6
I think they showed us the Rancor pit was empty to foreshadow Boba getting a monster. It's like the "we need a protocol droid" line. He's listing off things Jabba had that he still lacks. I believe we'll see him slowly build up the palace over the season.
You could be right. Foreshadowing is a good storytelling device. They used foreshadowing to great effect in Mando, as well, with his various armor pieces being upgraded and the jetpack comments and all. It tied together nicely in the end. I kind of see Jabba's Palace as a similar thing this time around, to be honest. It's decrepit and nearly empty after Bib squandered his power and influence. It's like when you have a stronghold or home base in a video game and you gradually unlock or purchase upgrades for it. We need a translator droid, some wall decorations and dancers, a band, some more goons, a beast in the pit, etc. I believe as he hardens his stance and realizes why Jabba ruled with fear, we'll see more of this. Edit: Almost forgot. My man's gonna need his own sail barge. The old one crashed and burned. Now that's a status symbol. |
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