I love the Star Wars Trilogy. I remember what a thrill, what an unalloyed joy Star Wars was to me prior to 1999. I still relive that incredible feeling once or twice a year when I rewatch the Star Wars Trilogy (or listen to the radio dramas). To me there’s no experience in the whole world quite like it, short of The Lord of the Rings (book), or Holy Week.
I have to remind myself that TRoS has literally zero chance of holding any meaning for me on that level. I can’t accept it in my headcanon. I will watch it once, and then not really think about it much ever again—same as d**ned near every movie I have ever seen.
But I will watch it in the theater, if only for that moment at the beginning when the words STAR WARS play across that vast starry field.
Moved your post here, thomden. The German media embargo ended at midnight, as movies here traditionally premiere to the public on Thursday. So, all the spoilers are being discussed here already; for the overly curious, there is even already a summary on Wikipedia.
I'm glad that the new movie seems to please people more than TLJ did; I'm largely going to abstain from commenting on it, though, for the time being - mainly, because I don't plan to watch the movie any time soon, and will know very little about it for a while, I guess. - First, because TLJ, as ridiculous as this might sound, was the only piece of art pretty much since high school that managed to make me legitimately angry and ill-tempered; that's not a feeling I want to carry over to the Christmas holidays AGAIN.
But, secondly, because it seems like I was right with one of my hunches, back in 2015: So, it apparently turns out that the sequel trilogy - if there can be said that there is any sort of "red line", any sort of coherence to it - is an update and a variation of a certain comic book story arc from the 90s. That comic book series, while never quite as dear to me as the Zahn or Stackpole/Aalston novels, was highly imaginative, internally coherent, and overall, one could say, pretty well done. And even if I haven't watched the third act of the new trilogy yet, I can already say that if the goal of the sequel movies was to essentially emulate that comic book series, then the movies have again essentially been failing that story. So, if I'm set up for personal disappointment, anyway, then... It's probably better to wait for the DVD.
That doesn't take away from the movie quite possibly being "not so bad". Not "Avengers Endgame"-level good, if the critics are right, but definitely not a mess, or a nation-divider like TLJ.
Personally my hope is, with the parallels to the comic book series being so fundamentally evident, and with the discontent over the sequel trilogy in general being so loudly voiced, that we might perhaps see an animated version of the comic book, a few years down the line. You know, like DC is doing with their superheroes: There are the big popcorn movies, and the teen-oriented TV series - but for the connoisseurs and the older long-term fans, they produce one or two animated movies every year that are essentially one-to-one adaptations. If we got something like that for Star Wars, at some point, that would be a thing of beauty.
Post by captainjapan on Dec 20, 2019 17:47:54 GMT -6
I think it’s the biggest of the sequels. If you liked either the fan service of TFA or the sexual tension of Last Jedi, then you will come away happy. I don't know if production design is the right term for it, since most every background it is computer rendered, but the scenery was spectacular. The creatures were fun, too. The story and the jokes were meh.
I realize this thread is tagged "Spoiler", but the posts still show up in the "Recently Updated Posts", making the spoilers very hard to avoid if you normally read the board that way (like I do, although I've already seen this movie).
So try to use the following tag for the big reveals, at least for the big reveals. I added a few above (including one post that has since been edited by be blank by the author and has thus been deleted).
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I enjoyed the movie in the same manner as the two before --- not as good as the original trilogy but light years better than the prequels. I thought it was tonally and imaginatively of a piece with the Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, i.e., with lots of recycling of ideas from the original trilogy. The best part remains the new lead characters, particularly when they are all together.
The best part remains the new lead characters, particularly when they are all together.
Indeed. In hindsight, I would have liked a sequel trilogy that was much lower key. No Sith, no First Order, no planet killers, no threats to the galaxy, etc. Set it 100 years after Return of the Jedi (so Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando would all be legends of the past and no longer alive). Chewie now owns the Millennium Falcon and still pals around with C-3PO and R2-D2. They befriend Rey, Finn, Poe, and BB-8 and have adventures together. Lots of good chemistry there. It would have been fun.
Now that I have seen the new film, I can update my list from favorite to least. The Rise of Skywalker sits right in the middle:
10: Star Wars 9: The Empire Strikes Back 8: Return of the Jedi 7: Rogue One 6: The Force Awakens 5: The Rise of Skywalker 4: The Last Jedi 3: Solo 2: Revenge of the Sith 1: Attack of the Clones 0: The Phantom Menace
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Solid, middle=of-the-road fare with the proper Star Wars feel
If Rian Johnson hadn't been such a dick with the middle movie, Abrams might have been able to do a lot better
Yeah. I think Abrams, for all his faults with the movies, just wanted to do an updated version of "Dark Empire". And that, with a better second act - one that made sense - could well have been pleasing. Some of Abrams' decisions still would have been very debatable, like, say, killing off Han Solo the way he did, and of course, the no-story around Rey and the Starkiller. (...I think that was the name. ) But the new trilogy at least wouldn't have been the incoherent trainwreck it ultimately became.
- Just imagine how these movies are going to age. Unless something really exceptional happens for SW in the very near future, the brand is going to be dead in ten years. - Not because the new stuff would necessarily be that bad, but because there is better stuff out there: Baby Yoda ALONE is not going be enough to beat stuff like "The Expanse", the "Dune" reboot, or Norah Jemisin's "The Broken Earth". In 2021, the movies will be 40 years old, the Zahn novels will turn 30, and KOTOR, the last real innovator to the SW franchise, will be 20. It's not impossible to pick things up from there again, but it sure seems very, very difficult. - "Pirates of the Caribbean" sure made it to four sequels, so, who knows? But to imagine "Star Wars" continuing to be the pacemaker of the sci-fi genre based on the sequels seems outright implausible, at this point. - Or did sales really substantially vary? Is ST merchandise going strong with the kids, these days?
I'm trying to think of what I felt and thought back in '77 when I saw "Star Wars" for the first time. About halfway through SW:ESB my ideas for the story went off the rails and never really got close to how I envisioned it going ever after.
Yep. Nothing after the 1977 film was even close to my youthful imaginings.
The linked article I found to be an interesting take on the SW nonology. I'm trying to think of what I felt and thought back in '77 when I saw "Star Wars" for the first time. About halfway through SW:ESB my ideas for the story went off the rails and never really got close to how I envisioned it going ever after. Anyway, I'll share the link.
The Jedi knights are based on various eastern philosophies where detachment is the core concept. The downfall of the Jedi starts in the recruiting department. They need more obi wan kenobis and fewer Anakin Skywalkers(blech!)
(In case this wasn't clear, I've long watched the movie, in the meantime, thanks to the persistency of some good friends that got me old grinch to, well, un-grinch. - My verdict, without any nerdy theatricality, lamentably pretty much matches my initial impression: The movie is considerably better than E7 and E8, but can't fix what its predecessors have broken. Unless the sequels are eventually remade, or the brand gets a de-facto complete remake through a move to the KOTOR era, or into "Cade Skywalker" territory. And since SW's "Legacy" era is so close to Frank Herbert's "Dune" universe, I doubt that this is the long-term route people will be willing to take.)