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Post by waysoftheearth on Jan 13, 2018 20:57:09 GMT -6
See also the Sutherland illustration of a mounted knight vs a dragon; Swords & Spells p16.
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Post by dragondaddy on Jan 25, 2018 20:31:09 GMT -6
Hmmmm... I go with the Dragon magazine Issue 50 True Dragon Dimensions...
Dragons are approximately grow 5-10 CM per year (d6+4) per year of age, with a newborn dragon being about 100 cm or 1 Meter in length. A 75 year old dragon (7 HD AC:1) that grows 6 cm per year will be 550 Cm long or about 5.5 meters, roughly 17 1/2 feet long or about the height of a horse and twice as long, with a wingspan about double the length that delivers 2d8 damage with a bite, 2d4 with 2 claws. 1d3 wing buffets and 1d3 wing claw attacks, and 2d4 foot stomp every other round with a 2d8 tail lash.
Now a 350 year old dragon (13 HD AC -5) that grows 9cm a year will be 32.41 Meters long or about 106 feet long and 35 feet high with a 212 foot wingspan. It does 6-36 Hp of damage with a bite and can swallow men whole being significantly larger than a T-rex. Does 3d4 with claws, 1d2+2 with a wing buffet and 1d2+2 using wing claws, with a 3d4 foot stomp every other round and and a 3d8 tail lash.
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Post by delta on Feb 1, 2018 11:26:14 GMT -6
Having done some computing on this issue recently, when I took Tolkien's painting and interpolated based on ladder rung size in fore & background, I came up with a length for Smaug of around 132 feet, including the tail. (Note: One of Tolkien's letters admits that he made Bilbo far too large in the painting.)
That said, I usually take a rule-of-thumb for monster size of about HD × 2 in feet; for dragons I pro-rate by overall hit points. This winds up giving sizes for the oldest types sort of one the same order as the AD&D sizes (MM p. 31-34). E.g.: Very old black dragon, hp 42/3.5 = 12 hit dice value, 12 × 2 = 24 feet (compare to MM listing 30 feet). Adults would be half that size. Probably not including tail length. Maybe I should lengthen this to account for snake-like shape.
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Post by tetramorph on Feb 1, 2018 15:11:34 GMT -6
Having done some computing on this issue recently, when I took Tolkien's painting and interpolated based on ladder rung size in fore & background, I came up with a length for Smaug of around 132 feet, including the tail. (Note: One of Tolkien's letters admits that he made Bilbo far too large in the painting.) That said, I usually take a rule-of-thumb for monster size of about HD × 2 in feet; for dragons I pro-rate by overall hit points. This winds up giving sizes for the oldest types sort of one the same order as the AD&D sizes (MM p. 31-34). E.g.: Very old black dragon, hp 42/3.5 = 12 hit dice value, 12 × 2 = 24 feet (compare to MM listing 30 feet). Adults would be half that size. Probably not including tail length. Maybe I should lengthen this to account for snake-like shape. Good to see you posting around here, Delta! My faster and looser way to this is just ft = HP. That does make my dragons longer -- but I do conceive them in a snake-thin way. Fight on!
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