busman
Level 6 Magician
Playing OD&D, once again. Since 2008!
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Post by busman on Jan 27, 2012 12:10:05 GMT -6
I noticed 2e wasn't in there. =)
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Post by Falconer on Jan 27, 2012 14:14:22 GMT -6
My D&D collection consists of OD&D, Holmes, AD&D 1e, and the RC. I look forward to adding a Delving Deeper set and Steve’s OSRIC Players Guide to the list (if they ever materialize). Not for play, but because I like the art.
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Post by Harbinger on Jan 28, 2012 19:40:43 GMT -6
I noticed 2e wasn't in there. =) That's actually because I stopped playing around the time Dieties & Demigods was released. I only returned to RPGs in 2007. So for me, 2e never happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 0:07:02 GMT -6
4. The thing that I wonder about is that much of the clone product line is based on the fact that OD&D is out of print and not supported. If WotC was to put OD&D back in print, I wonder if that could have a legal impact on the way clones are written and/or marketed. On the other hand, if we had OD&D again we really wouldn't need the clones any more. IMO even if WotC gave the OD&D boxed set away, it would only help the clones. The whole point of the clones is to publish supporting material. Most of the clones are free anyway with some exceptions, but I am not buying a clone, but I might buy supporting materials and no one is suggesting that WotC is going to sell supporting materials for OD&D.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 0:21:25 GMT -6
Administer them? What exactly are the administration costs for PDFs? "Hey we sold 30 of these this month" "Nice!" "Yup! That's another $150 revenue. Minus the 5 mins we've been talking about it at $60/hr means that's another $145 made this month." 1) Somebody has to track the number of actual sales. 2) Compare this with the number of downloads 3) Compare this to the dollar volume DTRPG has sent you 4) Calculate fixed and variable costs of the PDFs. In other words, doing business online for a large company is more complicated than "I'll sell you an apple for ten cents." For further details contact any reliable college offering business classes. I am usually in your corner on almost everything, but MBA or not, you are not making much sense here. Fixed and variable costs of someone selling a pirated pdf that has been floating around the internet for years, how can their possibly be a cost to WotC for that. I suppose there is some minute cost of WotC to say, "You remember that pirated pdf that we gave you permission to sell a few years ago and then rescinded? Well we are giving you permission to sell it again, BTW send us 50% of the total gross sales, along with a monthly accounting of total units sold." Anything more complicated than that should result in the person making it complicated being replaced with someone not so inclined to waste other peoples time.
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Post by Harbinger on Jan 30, 2012 12:35:51 GMT -6
I think it highly unlikely Wizards will offer any old material in PDF format; but I could certainly see them re-packaging and re-printing physical copies for the 40th anniversary. The problem with selling PDFs is that there is nothing to differentiate a legitimately purchased version from a pirated version. It's my opinion that the sticker price required to upsell pirated copies into legitimate copies is too low to make it worthwhile. A printed copy would have a great margin and would have higher sales without having to compete with a PDF. The only target audience for the products are RPG collectors and the small population of old school players.
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Post by strangebrew on Jan 30, 2012 13:01:06 GMT -6
One effect of a hypothetical LBB rerelease by Wizards: my head exploding from sheer joy.
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Post by achijusan on Jan 30, 2012 13:58:12 GMT -6
riiiiight...... I dont doubt that you got it before pdf's were ever invented. Enlighten us on just how much of your course load related to .pdf production, marketing, and sales... Not a bit, I expect.
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Post by Harbinger on Jan 30, 2012 15:16:38 GMT -6
One effect of a hypothetical LBB rerelease by Wizards: my head exploding from sheer joy. Yeah, I'm not too excited about the prospect for purchasing, though it would allow me to attract some more players: Yeah, I'm using the original rules that WotC just republished, you gotta try them out!. People are funny that way that out-of-print material is somehow not usable. I have my originals I bought on ebay, and my custom-made hardcover 6x9 single-volume edition. I don't actually need another copy.
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Post by strangebrew on Jan 30, 2012 17:55:45 GMT -6
I have my originals I bought on ebay, and my custom-made hardcover 6x9 single-volume edition. I don't actually need another copy. I have a similar workaround that would probably be much more useful at the table than the original LBBs, but I'd really like to have a box set of my own. Unfortunately I can't rationalize shelling out $200 for one. I'm also secretly hoping the OSR fad tanks it so the OCE box sets will fall into my price range. Of course I would prefer the original rather than a reprint, but beggars choosers etc.
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Post by Harbinger on Jan 31, 2012 15:59:55 GMT -6
I have a similar workaround that would probably be much more useful at the table than the original LBBs, but I'd really like to have a box set of my own. Unfortunately I can't rationalize shelling out $200 for one. I'm also secretly hoping the OSR fad tanks it so the OCE box sets will fall into my price range. Of course I would prefer the original rather than a reprint, but beggars choosers etc. Wow, I just checked Noble Knight and Troll and Toad. I didn't realize the price had gone up so much. I bought my 6th printing copy from Troll and Toad about 1.5 years ago for $75. It's now double that!
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Post by Falconer on Jan 31, 2012 16:06:28 GMT -6
Prices skyrocketed upon Gary Gygax’s death due to massive media coverage.
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Post by strangebrew on Jan 31, 2012 16:36:17 GMT -6
Yeah I've been following the whole OSR thing for a few years, especially the basic set era, but only really *really* got into OD&D in the past year or so.
I don't even want to think about how cheap they were, say, ten years ago.
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Post by Harbinger on Jan 31, 2012 21:55:36 GMT -6
I don't even want to think about how cheap they were, say, ten years ago. Not quite the same ROI as Apple stock, but still pretty good. ;D
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