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Post by countingwizard on Jan 12, 2018 9:20:28 GMT -6
Can someone sticky this thread? I think it is important enough to put at the top since I feel like I have to search for it every few months. I mean it is so comprehensive.
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Post by Zenopus on Jan 12, 2018 11:18:19 GMT -6
Good suggestion. Done!
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Post by Scott Anderson on Mar 25, 2018 0:02:09 GMT -6
Didn't there used to be a much larger list of monsters somewhere? It felt like dozens of pages printed out in tiny font.
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Post by harlandski on Jan 1, 2019 11:52:24 GMT -6
Any ideas about Spitting Cobra (room 52, level 1 of Palace of the Vampire Queen). Or does it just come under "Small Insects or Animals", with save vs poison or blindness on a hit, maybe?
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Post by howandwhy99 on Jan 1, 2019 22:06:56 GMT -6
PotVQ is a real oldie. So I don't really have the details you're referencing.
I don't know the designer's thinking, but based upon my own design the cobra wouldn't qualify as an XP-rated creature (too weak). However, it is an environmental threat. Like a swarm of bees or persistent heavy smoke.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Jan 2, 2019 0:48:22 GMT -6
It says they have 6 hp each from which one might infer either 2-1 HD, or else max hp from a single die.
Otherwise, yeah, I'd be thinking "Small Animals" per M&T p20 (AC8, 1 HD) with a venomous bite.
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Post by gemini476 on Jan 2, 2019 16:49:45 GMT -6
Note that Palace of the Vampire Queen is a post-Greyhawk publication: note the giant ticks, giant slug, blink dog and gelatinous cube on level II. It does seem to use a 1d6 hit die, though, as I can't find any 1HD monster with more than 6 "Max. Damage".
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Post by harlandski on Jan 2, 2019 21:56:41 GMT -6
Note that Palace of the Vampire Queen is a post-Greyhawk publication: note the giant ticks, giant slug, blink dog and gelatinous cube on level II. It does seem to use a 1d6 hit die, though, as I can't find any 1HD monster with more than 6 "Max. Damage". Yes, there's also a third level thief on lvl 1. At present I'm also not using variable hit dice or weapon damage, but am using the monsters and the thief class from Greyhawk. It's an interesting observation of yours that that might also be what the authors of the kit were doing.
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Post by thegreyelf on Jan 3, 2019 13:40:47 GMT -6
I have converted the excel sheet into a digest-sized PDF. I plan to print it with an OD&D-style cover and put it in with my boxed sets. This is a great resource. waysoftheearth, if you don't mind, when I get the cover designed and on it, I'll host it at my website with the other OD&D resources I've got there (giving you full editorial credit, of course; just let me know how you want to be credited on the cover). If you're feeling frosty and you want to incorporate the additional monsters from the later .d0cx file into the Excel file, I'll redo it to include them as well!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Jan 3, 2019 20:37:00 GMT -6
I have converted the excel sheet into a digest-sized PDF. I plan to print it with an OD&D-style cover and put it in with my boxed sets. This is a great resource. waysoftheearth, if you don't mind, when I get the cover designed and on it, I'll host it at my website with the other OD&D resources I've got there (giving you full editorial credit, of course; just let me know how you want to be credited on the cover). If you're feeling frosty and you want to incorporate the additional monsters from the later .d0cx file into the Excel file, I'll redo it to include them as well! There are a few things to respond to here. Let me see if I can cover them off... * First one is: I released the monster list into the public domain waaay back in 2011 explicitly so that D&D players could make use of it. My feeling is that it's a summary/compilation of other folks' works that is "free for D&D players to use" insofar as it is Fair Use. * I'm guessing a "boxed set" is a commercial item? If so, then that could be a whole different thing that you'd need to think carefully about. Potentially, it might be construed that you're profiting from other folks' creative effort (I don't mean my effort; I mean the original creators/publishers of the monsters). On the other hand, maybe the boxed set is free? Or you're selling a boxed set of "stuff" and incidentally including the monster list in it as a "freebie"? I don't know the specific details, but this is something to consider. * Assuming fair use, I'd say you are perfectly entitled to host/distribute your own product derived from the free monster list. It would be a nice gesture to include a link to my original free version (e.g. here: forum.immersiveink.com/viewforum.php?f=10 ) and this discussion topic ( odd74.proboards.com/thread/6472/all-od-monsters ). If you don't mind, I would also want to cross-link to your version from my download site. * Regarding a credit for me; thanks. Let's discuss that via PM. * You'll have to remind me what the additional monsters from the docx were... I don't recall? Either way (again assuming fair use) it's fine with me if you prefer to present a specific subset of the list. FWIW, I am not usually feeling frosty, and today in particular it is 44 C (111 F) here. I'm melting Hope that's helpful
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Post by thegreyelf on Jan 7, 2019 6:31:10 GMT -6
No, "my boxed sets" refers to my OD&D sets. I'm going to put it in my OD&D boxes that I own. Sorry if that wasn't clear. There's no commercial intent here at all. That would be illegal. I'm a professional game designer; I know how the laws regarding copyright work. Sorry; I thought you knew who I was (not my professional credits, per se, but my interactions here, and the OD&D booklets I've put out for people to download and use). See my website at www.grey-elf.com/ to see how I archive resources. I wasn't trying to be complicated with this; the question was just if you mind me putting it up on my website in booklet format, and what name you want on the cover. [EDIT]also, I didn't realize this was so old! My bad!
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Post by Sean Michael Kelly on Apr 24, 2019 5:40:42 GMT -6
No, "my boxed sets" refers to my OD&D sets. I'm going to put it in my OD&D boxes that I own. Sorry if that wasn't clear. There's no commercial intent here at all. That would be illegal. I'm a professional game designer; I know how the laws regarding copyright work. Sorry; I thought you knew who I was (not my professional credits, per se, but my interactions here, and the OD&D booklets I've put out for people to download and use). See my website at www.grey-elf.com/ to see how I archive resources... Jason, this week I was beginning work on a booklet/digest sized monster listing using Simon's spreadsheet. Then I came across this thread this AM! Did you ever complete this project? :-)
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Post by thegreyelf on Apr 24, 2019 16:17:30 GMT -6
No, "my boxed sets" refers to my OD&D sets. I'm going to put it in my OD&D boxes that I own. Sorry if that wasn't clear. There's no commercial intent here at all. That would be illegal. I'm a professional game designer; I know how the laws regarding copyright work. Sorry; I thought you knew who I was (not my professional credits, per se, but my interactions here, and the OD&D booklets I've put out for people to download and use). See my website at www.grey-elf.com/ to see how I archive resources... Jason, this week I was beginning work on a booklet/digest sized monster listing using Simon's spreadsheet. Then I came across this thread this AM! Did you ever complete this project? :-) No, I never even got 'round to making one for myself. Got tied up with other things and don't have an OD&D game going on at the moment to spur me forward. I was also a little miffed despite myself (even though I know it was an honest mistake) at the idea I somehow intended to use this for commercial purposes.
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Post by Sean Michael Kelly on Apr 24, 2019 16:40:03 GMT -6
Well, I might get started on it. PM if you want to collaborate!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Apr 24, 2019 19:10:03 GMT -6
I was also a little miffed despite myself (even though I know it was an honest mistake) at the idea I somehow intended to use this for commercial purposes. My apologies thegreyelf; I didn't understand the context, so I gave an inappropriate answer. I guess "boxed sets" (plural) threw me off. Also, I have just now noticed that you replied to my post ~three months ago, so apologies again for not responding sooner. Yeah, the short answer is: of course you can use the monster list for personal projects, that's what it's for In terms of naming names, it's fine to just repeat what is in the monster list spreadsheet itself (which says something like: "Complied by waysoftheearth, discuss at odd74.proboards.com").
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Post by thegreyelf on Apr 25, 2019 4:37:52 GMT -6
I was also a little miffed despite myself (even though I know it was an honest mistake) at the idea I somehow intended to use this for commercial purposes. My apologies thegreyelf; I didn't understand the context, so I gave an inappropriate answer. I guess "boxed sets" (plural) threw me off. Also, I have just now noticed that you replied to my post ~three months ago, so apologies again for not responding sooner. Yeah, the short answer is: of course you can use the monster list for personal projects, that's what it's for In terms of naming names, it's fine to just repeat what is in the monster list spreadsheet itself (which says something like: "Complied by waysoftheearth, discuss at odd74.proboards.com"). No worries; like I said I knew it was a basic misunderstanding out of the gate--the irritation was irrational and despite myself. So I have two OD&D sets I purchased (a 5th print plus all 5 supplements and the Premium Collector's Box) and a couple custom sets that I made from PDFs so I don't have to beat up my official ones. That's what I was talking about with the plural "boxed sets." At one point I had THREE original boxes--two 5th prints and a 6th print plus supplements, but I sold the 6th and supplements to a friend, and the extra 5th on eBay.
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Post by Vile Traveller on Feb 12, 2020 18:00:20 GMT -6
I had a look through the boards and this seems to be as good a thread as any to tack my question onto: There are a few references in M&T to "Medium Foot", e.g. in the Nomads entry. But I can't find any such thing in the Chainmail rules, which only seems to have Light, Heavy, and Armoured Foot. What are these guys?
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Post by derv on Feb 12, 2020 18:30:12 GMT -6
I had a look through the boards and this seems to be as good a thread as any to tack my question onto: There are a few references in M&T to "Medium Foot", e.g. in the Nomads entry. But I can't find any such thing in the Chainmail rules, which only seems to have Light, Heavy, and Armoured Foot. What are these guys? Medium Foot would be the same as Heavy Foot. People sometimes complain about Chainmails nomenclature. Essentially you have Heavy Foot >>> Medium Horse, where it would be more intuitive to have Medium Foot >>> Medium Horse. In Chainmail terms I think they would be Saracens. They are also listed in the FFC
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Post by tdenmark on Apr 22, 2021 12:52:09 GMT -6
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Post by badger2305 on Apr 22, 2021 14:27:07 GMT -6
Excellent work! Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 17:48:41 GMT -6
List incomplete. Referee and players absent.
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Post by tdenmark on Apr 23, 2021 6:40:43 GMT -6
List incomplete. Referee and players absent. They are the worst monsters of all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 7:01:02 GMT -6
List incomplete. Referee and players absent. They are the worst monsters of all. They should be in Gods, Demigods & Heroes, perhaps. Beings of such might and destructive potential as to not be safely faced in combat.
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Post by badger2305 on May 14, 2021 10:34:33 GMT -6
This is really excellent work! In going back through UWA, I've found mention of various monsters that are not written up, and apparently do not show up elsewhere. Some of them are associated with other monsters (giant versions of something, for example), but others appear to have not been specifically written up, aside from "various small animals" and the like: - Pterodactyls
- Cyborgs
- Robots
- Androids
- Spiders
- Centipedes
- Lizards
- Ants
- Weasels
- Apes
- Scorpions
- Lions
- Boars
- Snakes
- Cave Bear
- Dire Wolves
- Saber-tooth Tiger
- Mastodon
- Spotted Lions
- Woolly Rhinoceros
- Titanothere
- Mammoths
- Tyrannosaurus Rex
- Tricerotops
- Brontosaurus
- Stegosaurus
If they were listed elsewhere, my apologies.
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Post by yesmar on May 14, 2021 12:25:52 GMT -6
In going back through UWA, I've found mention of various monsters that are not written up, and apparently do not show up elsewhere. You left out some of the animals, but I don't much care about those because they are easily addressed by the entries for large and small animals and insects, respectively. Some of the monsters you left out that don't have stats in the 3LBB include: • Cyclopses • Dopplegangers • Gelatinous Cubes • Golems • Juggernauts • Living Statues • Salamanders • Shadows Shadows are mentioned in Vol. 3, p.11, but get stat'ed out in GREYHAWK. As a brief aside, I was going to mention the Juggernaut from Tomb of Horrors. I had planned to reference the 1975 tournament adventure, but it's not there. Apparently the Juggernaut first appeared in the 1978 monochrome cover module. The room beyond the sleep gas passage has a Shambling Mound in the original tournament adventure. (I'd rather face off with a Shambling Mound than a Juggernaut any day, TBH.) In any case, by my count there are 61 monsters detailed on the Monster Reference Table in Volume 2. There are 109 monsters if you count all the references scattered throughout the three-volume set, and that doesn't include the Barsoomian critters referenced in Volume 3. The total increases to 117 if you include those as well.
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Post by badger2305 on May 14, 2021 12:35:12 GMT -6
In going back through UWA, I've found mention of various monsters that are not written up, and apparently do not show up elsewhere. You left out some of the animals, but I don't much care about those because they are easily addressed by the entries for large and small animals and insects, respectively. Some of the monsters you left out that don't have stats in the 3LBB include: • Cyclopses • Dopplegangers • Gelatinous Cubes • Golems • Juggernauts • Living Statues • Salamanders • Shadows I noticed those, as well. Some of those get mentioned elsewhere (Greyhawk, etc.). I think it was mentioned that murquhart72 had come up with stats for the Barsoomian monsters?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 14:31:46 GMT -6
Don't forget Titans and Androids!
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Post by chicagowiz on Jan 21, 2023 11:49:09 GMT -6
Thank you so much for making this into a Google Sheet! I wish the old Exalt feature was here, I'd give you one! Would it be OK if I shared your sheet in my blog, or would you rather I shared my copy? Either way is fine!
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 21, 2023 13:07:30 GMT -6
Thank you so much for making this into a Google Sheet! I wish the old Exalt feature was here, I'd give you one! Would it be OK if I shared your sheet in my blog, or would you rather I shared my copy? Either way is fine! Alright. I can't guarantee how long the link will be active. You can copy it if you want.
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Post by atlantean on Jan 25, 2023 14:21:52 GMT -6
Observation on thouls: thouls did not appear on the level 2 wandering monster table (volume 3 page 19) until the 5th printing. My 4th printing has "toads" instead. I strongly suspect that 1st thru 3rd printings also did not have thouls on that table.
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