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Post by tdenmark on Mar 29, 2023 6:18:51 GMT -6
So I watched most of this, could hardly stand it. They don't even talk about the D&D game until the end and what they showed ... wasn't D&D. It was some kind of weird video game.
We already knew what they were doing, but now the whole OGL debacle makes a little more sense. Wizbro isn't even in the same market anymore, they want a tactical turn-based video game where they can sell Loot.
They claimed their goal with D&D is:
Fun. Convenience. Authenticity.
There was nothing fun, convenient, or authentic in that presentation.
The whole video is painful to get through.
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Post by asaki on Mar 29, 2023 7:44:19 GMT -6
Isn't this was 4E was supposed to be?
(I only played it one time, and it was in-person, so I don't know what the virtual experience was like)
Makes sense that they would go this route, with the Pandemic and Twitch and everything.
At the very least, it looks like it's probably easier to use than Roll20.
But yeah...probably stuffed to the gills with micropurchases.
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Post by tombowings on Mar 29, 2023 7:54:01 GMT -6
Looks like a completely different hobby compared to the one I'm interested in.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Mar 29, 2023 21:26:16 GMT -6
No way am I giving them that 31.5 minutes of my life.
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Post by hamurai on Mar 29, 2023 22:52:02 GMT -6
Well, personally I wanted to see what they'd dreamed up for the new D&D, and 4 people sitting at a table with a neoprene battlemat to rest their laptops on, and with dice lying next to their laptops just for decoration... That just was weird. Most of the time they seemed to be looking into the laptop screen to see what the situation was like, even during the pure RP phase in the tavern, because they always shoved their virtual minis around.
So, if the goal has been to make D&D a less social experience, I'd say Success! But that certainly isn't my style of playing.
The necessity that people got to using VTTs during the pandemic is now a virtue to WotC, so even if you are able to meet in person at a table, you will now play just the way you would if you couldn't meet in person. But you'll have eye contact from time to time. Great. Not.
I totally get that these days, apparently most D&D rounds meet online over a VTT and for them, this will be a good thing. If this VTT is well done, why not. But to make us believe that it's better than using real dice and pen and paper and minis? To make us believe that we'd prefer entirely virtual assets over physical ones? You can just hope that there won't be a power failure or some issue with the ISP, or the evening of D&D is canceled.
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Post by tombowings on Mar 29, 2023 22:58:34 GMT -6
I feel they're trying to appeal to young introverts with no social skills. The trouble is, most of the D&D players I've known are complete extraverts: actors, teachers, and sale reps. The social aspect was the main feature of the game. Unfortunately, WotC seems to treat that primary appeal as an inconvenience that is best brushed aside.
Also, I can't imagine DMing a game using that software. It imagine it requires a torturous amount of prep to painstakingly craft details that can be easily improvised in the moment at the table as needed.
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Post by tdenmark on Mar 29, 2023 23:42:40 GMT -6
Well, personally I wanted to see what they'd dreamed up for the new D&D, and 4 people sitting at a table with a neoprene battlemat to rest their laptops on, and with dice lying next to their laptops just for decoration... That just was weird. It was a LAN party. OK when you're playing a first person shooter or something like that, but not for D&D. What this edition is really designed for is people to sit on their computer at home and play with people online. This demo with everyone at the same table was just for show - and extra weird. I totally get that these days, apparently most D&D rounds meet online over a VTT and for them, this will be a good thing. If this VTT is well done, why not. But to make us believe that it's better than using real dice and pen and paper and minis? To make us believe that we'd prefer entirely virtual assets over physical ones? You can just hope that there won't be a power failure or some issue with the ISP, or the evening of D&D is canceled. Or your D&D account is cancelled because you said the wrong thing on Twitter. |
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Post by waysoftheearth on Mar 30, 2023 3:08:19 GMT -6
Or your D&D account is cancelled because you said the wrong thing on Twitter. And for so long as it isn't, they're busy with the real work of tracking everything you touch or look at, every interaction, every hesitation, every biometric nuance of your voice, your finger prints, and your face. All there to collect the real product they are harvesting, that invaluable data commodity: you. Linked of course to: your wallet. Also, I can't imagine DMing a game using that software. It imagine it requires a torturous amount of prep to painstakingly craft details that can be easily improvised in the moment at the table as needed. And your entire experience being limited to a list of options, or slots provided. By them. If that's D&D I'm Mickey Mouse. If they want to do an online data/money harvester that's fine. The part i really don't understand is, why did they need to cannibalise D&D to do it? Surely they could have kept D&D as, you know, D&D, and called their digital/online product something else??? |
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Post by doublejig2 on Mar 30, 2023 5:16:31 GMT -6
Then too there is the slow but inexorable competence for both DM and adventurers that comes with a multi-year table (or Zoom) game among friends. No save feature for restoring a past version if the big fight turns out poorly. And, adventurer death is as painful as they say then. Three cheers for P_ssy Riot then for exposing the source of the new, pay for perks software. "Don't play stupid. Don't play dumb. V_gina is where you're really from"! Sheesh!  |
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Post by samvandenberg on Mar 30, 2023 5:26:03 GMT -6
Truth be told, I don't really enjoy video games.
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Post by jeffb on Mar 30, 2023 7:57:38 GMT -6
Thank God for the OGL (and whatever new licensing comes about).
The 4e model for online play would have been fantastic- sadly it never came to fruition.
This thing is an abomination.
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Post by cadriel on Mar 30, 2023 12:17:47 GMT -6
If I wanted to play a video game I'd buy a video game. What they previewed was a video game, and it doesn't even look like a good one.
When Rob Kuntz wrote his book on Dave Arneson, I thought to some degree that his point about open versus closed systems was overstating the case. And I do think he was applying an inappropriate binary, and exaggerating the degree to which TSR's AD&D was pre-programmed; I think there is more of a spectrum from open to closed systems. But this does really look like a totally closed system, where the DM will be hedged more and more into official content. And I just find that draining and uninteresting. Good RPGs should aspire to be open as that's the strength of the form, to allow for improvisation and creation by the players. This is all about gawking at 3-D renders of monsters and spell effects that are still not as good as a person's imagination.
And then of course there's the world of microtransactions and all that.
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Post by geoffrey on Mar 30, 2023 17:31:06 GMT -6
People thinking that they are playing D&D when all they are doing is staring at glowing rectangles?
That's kind of sad.
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Post by tdenmark on Mar 30, 2023 20:10:13 GMT -6
What they previewed was a video game, and it doesn't even look like a good one. Exactly. |
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Post by tdenmark on Mar 30, 2023 20:29:33 GMT -6
No way am I giving them that 31.5 minutes of my life. That's why I linked it to the end where they actually talk about the new D&D. I watched it so you don't have to.  |
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Post by DungeonDevil on Mar 30, 2023 22:09:40 GMT -6
That was the majority demographic back in the old days. I watched about 60 seconds before feeling the rising gorge. Just.no.thanks. |
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Post by ochrejelly on Mar 31, 2023 0:20:32 GMT -6
Barf
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Post by bobjester0e on Apr 10, 2023 11:11:14 GMT -6
This is a real sh!tty take on playing a D&D video game. If I wanted a D&D video game, I'd still be playing SSI's gold box games or play D&D Online mmorpg. (Which I do.)
As an introvert, I despise WotCs attempt to entice me into staying home and missing out on the joy of occasional face-to-face gaming with others with the same interests as me. As far as zoom/discord D&D has come in the last 3 years, it still misses the nuance of gaming face-to-face.
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Post by tdenmark on Apr 10, 2023 12:19:14 GMT -6
This is a real sh!tty take on playing a D&D video game. Yeah, it's pretty gross. I can't imagine ever playing D&D this way at the table. |
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Post by howandwhy99 on Apr 10, 2023 18:12:18 GMT -6
So I play a game where my continual imagining, both in pertinent detail and capacity, and my ability to recall it are directly rewarded because they found my strategic accomplishments in said game. In OD&D, imagination is a listed requirement necessary for play. If you are not doing it, it is not possible to play.
I think this is very plainly profit seeking hobby-killing.
Yech
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Post by Starbeard on Apr 14, 2023 18:18:46 GMT -6
For 50 years now, fantasy gamers have primarily been an evangelical bunch when it comes to the hobby. But now that it's been attracting a wave of generally positive public opinion for the first time, and all that comes with it, I think it's only a matter of time until that attitude shifts to a "locals only" hobby.
Not that I'm opposed to that, of course.
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