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Post by rustic313 on Jan 30, 2021 16:42:51 GMT -6
I could have sworn that I saw a version of U&WA with the prices for wooden construction and earthworks. Does anyone happen to know what version that is, and I'd they have them handy, post the wood/earth costs?
Thanks!
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Post by derv on Jan 30, 2021 17:34:06 GMT -6
I don't recall where I got these prices, but I penciled them in my rule book at the bottom of p21. It may have been errata I picked up some where.
OTHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS:
moat or ditch: 180 ft. long, 20" wide, 10 ft. deep 2000 gp
earth works, as above 1000 gp
wooden palisade; 180 ft long 1500 gp
wooden building, 120 ft of outer wall, etc. as stone building 500 gp
light catapult 250 gp
heavy catapult 400 gp
cauldron & oil 50 gp
portable covered ram 1000 gp
siege tower, green hide covered 2000 gp
other items not listed can be built, and their price calculated by consulting the nearest comparison above.
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Post by rustic313 on Jan 31, 2021 2:39:24 GMT -6
Huzzah! Many thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 8:44:43 GMT -6
They also might or might not be on page 73 of a certain single volume compilation I'm sure nobody around here owns.  |
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Post by Piper on Jan 31, 2021 10:51:50 GMT -6
Okay, rustic313 ... I took a quick screenshot of the deleted material. This the bottom of p. III-21 and the top of III-22. I have included material not deleted for reference, to allow you to see where the deleted block appeared in relation to the existing material in the latest print. This screenshot is for educational purposes only and not intended to defraud or otherwise deny profit to TSR, WotC, Hasbro or any other entity or individual (living or dead), nor is it intended as a challenge to the IP of any of the aforementioned entities whether corporate or individual (each or severally)..  |
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Post by rustic313 on Jan 31, 2021 10:59:26 GMT -6
That's exactly the page I was thinking of. My official wotc approved PDF doesn't have that info. Much appreciated!
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Post by rustic313 on Jan 31, 2021 11:02:38 GMT -6
PS -- as an aside, 180' of wall is just the right size to enclose a standard building with 120' of wall...
The building can be 30x30 and the walls are 45x45. Pretty elegant how that fits together.
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Post by retrorob on Jan 31, 2021 11:25:20 GMT -6
Take note that these costs are repeated in Judges Guild materials. Why was this section deleted from the later prints?
In Guidon/Bufkin manuscript there was also a random village generator (1-hamlet, 2-5 village, 6 walled town).
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Post by tetramorph on Jan 31, 2021 17:03:13 GMT -6
I usually just have wooden construction cost half that of stone / masonry.
I like rules of thumb. Less to hold in my brain.
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Post by cometaryorbit on Jan 31, 2021 21:54:07 GMT -6
Huh, that is really weird that the material was deleted and never restored.
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Post by rsdean on Feb 4, 2021 7:00:22 GMT -6
I could have sworn that I saw a version of U&WA with the prices for wooden construction and earthworks. Does anyone happen to know what version that is, and I'd they have them handy, post the wood/earth costs? Yes, it was in the first printing but disappeared in one of the later printings. It was on pp. 21-22. That information is still in my 4th printing booklet, FWIW. |
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Post by retrorob on Feb 15, 2021 10:40:09 GMT -6
Perhaps nobody has noticed it. Same thing for Dunsany/Sunsany, I suppose, as in the 1st the spelling was correct. And early prints with Tolkien stuff didn't form the basis for the new edition I own (2013).
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Post by thecoldironkid on Jul 23, 2022 15:30:30 GMT -6
can anyone justify why a wooden pallisade costs three times as much as a wooden building?
for that matter, why are earthworks half the price of a ditch? isn't digging up, THEN piling earth more work than just digging a trench? (FFC lists earthworks as more expensive than a trench, but the comparative costs of wooden building and wooden pallisade in FFC are copied faithfully in od&d)
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Post by Desparil on Jul 23, 2022 15:39:29 GMT -6
I suppose it depends how deep and wide the ditch is - if it's deep and/or narrow enough, then the ditch needs reinforcement to keep from collapsing in on itself, which could greatly increase the cost. Alternatively, you could interpret the cost of earthworks as being an optional add-on for the price of the ditch. So you could pay for a ditch without earthworks, but you couldn't pay for earthworks without a corresponding ditch.
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Post by jamesmishler on Jul 23, 2022 23:14:28 GMT -6
Earthworks can be more easily formed by gathering soil and rocks from the nearby area, while a ditch must be dug, often into harder clay and even rock. Lots of hauling dirt and rock up and out, and shoring up soft spots, while an earthworks is simply piling available dirt and rock.
I'd say that the ditch includes an earthworks of the same size for half the normal earthworks costs, if the buyer so desires.
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Post by Starbeard on Aug 4, 2022 21:50:04 GMT -6
Earthworks can be more easily formed by gathering soil and rocks from the nearby area, while a ditch must be dug, often into harder clay and even rock. Lots of hauling dirt and rock up and out, and shoring up soft spots, while an earthworks is simply piling available dirt and rock. I'd say that the ditch includes an earthworks of the same size for half the normal earthworks costs, if the buyer so desires. As someone who once helped my dad landscape the gardens around the house as a teen, I can attest to this with my inestimably expert authority. |
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