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Post by smubee on Aug 9, 2016 13:37:28 GMT -6
Obviously they didn't do much research.
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Post by talysman on Aug 9, 2016 13:54:47 GMT -6
Yeah, I wish there were at least one web page or forum that said something about OD&D other than just "it exists".
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Post by smubee on Aug 9, 2016 13:58:13 GMT -6
Yeah, I wish there were at least one web page or forum that said something about OD&D other than just "it exists". If only there was some place that had 2,182 members where people could talk about OD&D daily, and share their homebrew adventures and other ideas with said population. |
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Post by tetramorph on Aug 9, 2016 16:20:50 GMT -6
That just made me feel sick to my stomach.
I had to stop watching after a few seconds.
I am sure they are funny guys, and all. Have they never heard of a Google search?
Would someone please contact these poor benighted souls and give them a link to this place?
Wow.
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Post by talysman on Aug 9, 2016 17:17:15 GMT -6
That just made me feel sick to my stomach. I had to stop watching after a few seconds. I am sure they are funny guys, and all. Have they never heard of a Google search? Would someone please contact these poor benighted souls and give them a link to this place? Wow. I figure it's got to be trolling, anyways. I mean, how did they come up with the abbreviation "OGD&D"? |
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Post by tetramorph on Aug 9, 2016 17:32:19 GMT -6
I have heard of trolling.
But people actually go to the trouble to produce a video just to troll something?
Man, why don't they just play the game rather than make a video.
Don't they have day jobs? Who has time to video troll?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 17:45:18 GMT -6
Who has time to video troll? You'd be surprised... |
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Post by coffee on Aug 10, 2016 7:12:53 GMT -6
If you watch to the end, they actually do say that they'll roll up characters and try it.
And in the comments they are directed both here and to Ruins of Murkhill.
So I'll reserve judgement until they present their next video, and see if they can be brought to the light or must remain in outer darkness forever.
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Post by xerxez on Aug 10, 2016 7:19:49 GMT -6
So I'll reserve judgement until they present their next video, and see if they can be brought to the light or must remain in outer darkness forever. Good one Coffee! |
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Post by simonw on Aug 11, 2016 0:14:05 GMT -6
I found it quite amusing and they're right - the original rulebook is poorly edited, has terrible art and doesn't make sense...when compared with rulebooks of today. I can't see anything they said that isn't true. It doesn't stop us loving it all the more for that.
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 11, 2016 4:39:04 GMT -6
I thought they were funny but clearly seemed uninformed. On the other hand, it's just possible that they were acting uninformed for comedic effect. As others have noted, however, they are spot on about the lousy artwork and such of our favorite rulebooks. I guess one person's feature is another's bug.
Oh, and I'll get that "Original Gygax D&D" = OGD&D. Uninformed again, or a slap at Dave Arneson? Dunno. It might also explain why their Google-fu failed, if they were searching for OGD&D all of the time.
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Post by smubee on Aug 11, 2016 8:13:01 GMT -6
Oh, and I'll get that "Original Gygax D&D" = OGD&D. Uninformed again, or a slap at Dave Arneson? Dunno. It might also explain why their Google-fu failed, if they were searching for OGD&D all of the time. Not quite. OG = Original. Kids call anything Original "The OG".
*Source* I am 19 years old and have younger siblings and a girlfriend.For example Me : "Hey do you wanna watch Star Wars tonight?"
Sister : "The OG Star Wars?"Meaning the original Star Wars. Or, another example Me : "Who's your favourite Batman?"
Girlfriend : "Adam West because he's the OG".
Thus in the context of this video OGDND simply means OD&D, or Original Dungeons and Dragons. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 12:18:48 GMT -6
The thing is, lamentably, that's the way most people of my age talk about OD&D. (I'm 33, probably one of the younger guys that post here.)
It's not that people meant any disrespect, usually; it's that they either don't know, or don't care. Compared to what most of my peers associate with roleplaying, everything we talk about here seems to feel very "alien". I've run OD&D games at conventions, and people liked them a lot - but their own way of gaming was different. Not worse, not better, just different, regardless of whether they ran a version of D&D, or another game. The only guy I ever who encountered who did seem to understand where I was coming from was the guy who later translated the game "Beyond The Wall" into German.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 19:53:09 GMT -6
OG = Original gangster
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Post by DungeonDevil on Aug 11, 2016 22:16:23 GMT -6
Moderately funny. I get some of their grievances. For kids used to slickly-produced, full-colour hardbacks, I suppose the LBBs are strange and disappointing, visually at least. The artwork was -- and stil is -- ghastly.
I'd love to learn more about this Oh-Dee-and-Dee, but where on earth can I find people on teh intarwebz who know something about it??? I haz confused.
Oh, and I didn't like their cheap shot about Rush. Rush rules! \m/
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Post by oakesspalding on Aug 13, 2016 0:49:38 GMT -6
Oh, well, just f**k you (to the guys in the video). So, snarking can be fun. But you do so after you know something about what you're talking about.
D&D was ruined by people like this.
Everything good about D&D was leeched out of it by people like this.
It used to be an imaginative catharsis. Now it's just another boring plaything of the cynical hipperati.
Sorry. I'm not exactly neutral on the issue.
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Post by Radio Dask on Aug 13, 2016 4:54:15 GMT -6
The strangest thing for me is that they act like they didn't know what ODnD was before they did some heavy research (read: one Wikipedia search), yet they're an explicitly RPG related channel. Also, a bothersome lack of respect for the work done by a what is at best a tiny publishing company to essentially invent the hobby they now enjoy.
Someone left them a message directing them to this board, and they responded, so better to keep my judgement brief and civil. Hopefully they learn more through some play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 18:05:15 GMT -6
Oh, well, just f**k you (to the guys in the video). So, snarking can be fun. But you do so after you know something about what you're talking about. D&D was ruined by people like this. Everything good about D&D was leeched out of it by people like this. It used to be an imaginative catharsis. Now it's just another boring plaything of the cynical hipperati. Sorry. I'm not exactly neutral on the issue. Please, be more chill with the verbiage, oakes. Not that, ahem, we would have much difference of opinion, there, but there are more civil ways to express opposing views. Like, the creators of the video might think that they produced something of value. That alone should be punishment enough. Running a comedy videocast with this sort of a sense of humor, difficult enough already. |
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Post by coffee on Aug 15, 2016 7:23:50 GMT -6
Coming to love D&D used to be an event. It was new, and all you had to do was play it once and you were hooked. Right?
But today, it's a process. You have to find it. You have to get a copy. You have to read it.
And you have to let go what else is in your head from over 40 years of roleplaying and read it for what it is.
I've been trying to do that since I got my copy in the 80s, and the discussion on this very forum has shown me I still hadn't made it. I think I'm getting there now.
Much of the snark on this video is over things we have snarked over right here. The difference is, it's ours. We actually play the game.
So we get a bit worked up over some johnny-come-latelies who want to snark on our patch. These are our gripes to make, we say, not yours.
The difference, so far, is that we haven't made a video about it. I know I haven't.
But these guys have.
What happens next, I wonder? Will they try playing the game? Will they give it a fair shake? Or will snark and convenience win out?
They could end up sending a lot of traffic to this site. Indeed, they could become members of this site and find a lot here to use, and come to appreciate the beauty, despite its flaws, of D&D. They could have some fun insights to share (as long as they're willing to play nice).
Or we could be left alone, with just ourselves, which would be fine with me; we're a pretty fun bunch already.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we have no control over these guys, nor should we. If they want to be buffoons on this matter, let them. It doesn't hurt us any. If they sincerely desire to learn, however, we have the resources right here to give them a better view of D&D. And that's not a bad thing.
And yes, I refuse to call it OGD&D, because no matter how you slice it that's a stupid name. (I still don't even like OD&D, but that's a rant I've ranted before...)
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Post by Porphyre on Aug 15, 2016 7:29:37 GMT -6
"We snarked over the OD&D artwork before it was popular"  Personnaly, I found the overall tone of the video more tongue-in-cheek and somewhat befuddled than really insulting, and reading the guys answers to comments, they seem rather good-willed and maybe genuinely interested into what the OSR community has to offer. At least they don't sound like the "D&D is a smoking pile of garbage that should be pulled behind the barn and be put off of its misery" articles that you can read sometimes on Places to go, people to be or some RuneQuest fora
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Post by 18 Spears on Aug 15, 2016 11:22:40 GMT -6
views of film are $$$ to these guys
mebbe stop watchin film and givin them the payoff???
as long as we watch they keep talking
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Post by Radio Dask on Aug 16, 2016 5:28:22 GMT -6
~200,000 views with 2 million+ subs, a you-tube partnership, and ad-sense is like 200 dollars a video.
So whatever 20 dollars they make from this video, they deserve it, because they provided us with about 10 minutes and 2 posts worth of forum entertainment each.
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Post by 18 Spears on Aug 16, 2016 9:34:59 GMT -6
~200,000 views with 2 million+ subs, a you-tube partnership, and ad-sense is like 200 dollars a video. So whatever 20 dollars they make from this video, they deserve it, because they provided us with about 10 minutes and 2 posts worth of forum entertainment each. you'uns don't sound entertained, you sound angry and your mod had to call one of you down. if that entertained you'uns need to get out more Obviously they didn't do much research. That just made me feel sick to my stomach. I had to stop watching after a few seconds. I figure it's got to be trolling, anyways. I mean, how did they come up with the abbreviation "OGD&D"? It's not that people meant any disrespect, usually; it's that they either don't know, or don't care Oh, well, just f**k you (to the guys in the video). [...] D&D was ruined by people like this. Everything good about D&D was leeched out of it by people like this. [...]Sorry. I'm not exactly neutral on the issue. So we get a bit worked up over some johnny-come-latelies who want to snark on our patch. These are our gripes to make, we say, not yours. Also, a bothersome lack of respect for the work done by a what is at best a tiny publishing company to essentially invent the hobby they now enjoy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 11:03:39 GMT -6
I have to ask, what are we all arguing about, and why the fervor, especially in that last post, Gene?
This is just a ridiculously absurd online video, as the title of the thread says. Does this really serve as a reason to become overly confrontational, among ourselves?
Thread locked for review, until Fin decides what to do with it.
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