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Post by xerxez on Jul 27, 2016 13:15:29 GMT -6
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Post by ritt on Jul 27, 2016 13:30:27 GMT -6
Very interesting.
A friend of a friend of a guy who plays in HeroClix tournaments with a Marvel CGI guy tells me that RPGs are the current fad in Hollywood right now.
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Post by xerxez on Jul 27, 2016 13:37:52 GMT -6
Maybe a live action Greyhawk film?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 13:57:38 GMT -6
At least now we know the real reason that all of the print projects were shelved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 17:04:16 GMT -6
Maybe a live action Greyhawk film? Gail doesnt own Greyhawk. Hasbro owns it as well as Transformers. |
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Post by Falconer on Jul 27, 2016 18:01:42 GMT -6
Gail owns Gord the Rogue, so, it’s entirely possible they could do a Greyhawk movie based on that IP.
Kind of like how multiple studios could make James Bond movies because different parties had the rights to different books.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 12:08:40 GMT -6
Very, very skeptical, that I am. Sounds like a classical Angel Investor case, sort of what Joss Whedon did for Margaret Weis; I hope DeSanto is not basically buying the name rights, though and putting it onto everything that sort of fits the concept.
From the *known* Gygax IPs, the only one really modern enough to be adaptable to modern media would be Castle Zagyg; A Gord, a Sagard, or a DJ multimedia project, appealing to the mass market of 2016, I can't quite see. - And it's not like DeSanto's earlier work would be known for its... Sophistication.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 8:42:33 GMT -6
Gail owns Gord the Rogue, so, it’s entirely possible they could do a Greyhawk movie based on that IP. Honestly, if you were to create a list of the top fantasy characters that deserve a movie, would Gord the Rogue be in the top 10? Top 25? Very, very skeptical, that I am. Sounds like a classical Angel Investor case, sort of what Joss Whedon did for Margaret Weis; That's my thinking as well. The guy already has a working relationship with Hasbro (via Transformers) so if he wanted to do a Greyhawk movie with all the big characters (Tenser, Mordenkainen, et. al) he'd be able to do so through them. |
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Post by Falconer on Jul 31, 2016 13:21:47 GMT -6
Honestly, if you were to create a list of the top fantasy characters that deserve a movie, would Gord the Rogue be in the top 10? Top 25? Yes, honestly, top 10. That said, I have a hard time rooting for Gail Gygax to succeed in any way. She has done a lot of damage to the good will of fans. I desire nothing more than the reinstatement of Gary’s plan for Jeff Talanian to complete Castle Zagyg. Raw and/or annotated notes would be in many ways better, but, a playable Castle is what Gary wanted, and I wish that could have been honored. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 3:13:23 GMT -6
Thing is, if we look at things in detail, this announcement is pretty much a declaration of defeat by the Gygax estate:
Basically, they hand over the all aspects of brand management to someone else.
...Which goes with what people already know, which is that the (official) Gygax estate, that, from what I understand, is really Mrs Gail alone, is unqualified to do whatever they tried or pretended to do. Public perception, so far, has been catastrophic, and positive results of any sort, the estate has not been able to produce. Now, enter deSanto, basically saying that he will bring in order and re-evaluate the unpublished content Mr Gygax left, based on its overall marketability. Which really means: "He'll go back and start from scratch".
Personally, I think we are perhaps going to see a few more book releases over the next years - but successful, and high-quality film versions based on Mr Gygax' works, I doubt. If it's indeed not based on a continuation of previously released material - and, mind you, most of Mr Gygax post-TSR work is nigh-forgotten, even among fans - then the unique selling point for a generic fantasy brand, apart from the Gygax name, appears to be small, especially if compared to the stiff competition that is going to be around: Game of Thrones and its eventual spin-off, the US film version of The Witcher, the recently-announced Amber TV series, probably the next Tolkien movie, and, last but not least, Warner Bros.' actual D&D movie revamp.
In that context, though - what happened to the IPs of "New Infinities"? Are they with the Gygax estate, as well?
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Post by Falconer on Aug 1, 2016 14:06:29 GMT -6
No no no, it’s not a declaration of defeat. Her head is not where any of our heads would be. Her plan all along has been to do movies. That is why she keeps trying to get in bed with these Hollywood types (first it was George Strayton, remember?). I don’t think we’ll see any books of any kind until (unless) after a movie gets made. She figures that movie tie-in books sell a million times more than other books. Like her plans with the memorial, she’s going grandiose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 10:36:06 GMT -6
If you're right, that would be terrible for Gary's legacy. ...But then, looking at what Mrs Gygax has actually done over the last few years, I am pretty sure you're right.
I checked her tax papers at some point. (Nothing spectacular, but when there was talk about her possibly misusing the money late last year, I gave it a look.) - What I want to say is, her efforts, at least judging by her spendings and earnings for the Gygax Trust, over the last few years can be summed up with "praying for salvation".
Here's hope, though, that DeSanto, at least, knows what he's doing. At this point, any movement might well be counted as progress.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 11:35:37 GMT -6
If you're right, that would be terrible for Gary's legacy. I gave up hope for the Gygax IP years ago. Even then there wasn't much of value that was actually owned by EGG except his name (which, in most RPG circles, is considered a negative anyway), and its value decreases with each passing year. |
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Post by DungeonDevil on Aug 2, 2016 12:37:45 GMT -6
Compared to yet-unproduced Fantasy/S&S properties (for example Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser, Bran Mac Morn, Elric, Hawkmoon, Corum, Dying Earth, to name a few), Gord has efectively no name-recognition at all. If the upcoming project is indeed Gord-based, I have little, if any, hope for it, frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 13:42:10 GMT -6
... which, in most RPG circles, is considered a negative anyway... I share a similar sentiment; I think the Gygax IP, in difference to other oldschool IPs out there, is not yet beyond saving. IF, that is, IF people are smart and don't make any more mistakes. The Gygax Mag thing last winter was pretty much as stupid as things could get. But is what you write about "most RPG circles" really the case?! - Like, mind you, I am one of the guys who still runs the Blackmoor-/Dave Arneson-focused community over at the Comeback Inn, and one might assume people there would have more reason than the average nerd to hold a grudge. - Yet, since the start of my involvement, in 2005, there have never been whatever sorts of unmotivated aggressions against Gygax, or his estate, by anyone who is respected in the community. (Even though the tone changed after Tim Kask appeared on the scene, and started polemicizing against Arneson while it was public knowledge that the latter was, at that moment, on his deathbed with cancer.) I also ran one of the first exclusively non-TSR D&D boards, "The Wayfarer's Inn", until 2009, and there, pretty much the same: People quite simply didn't seem to care much about Mr Gygax contributions to the hobby, but not in a hostile, or particularly negative way. - Just in that they were more interested in other people's contributions, not as a particular snub. I also recall Gary had FAQ threads on ENWorld and RPG.net. Did he get so much flack or bad blood, there? - Genuinely asking, here. This was never my particular corner of the internet, and I never really noticed that Mr Gygax, or his works, would be particularly unpopular among people outside of the oldschool community. |
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Post by Falconer on Aug 2, 2016 13:53:12 GMT -6
his name (which, in most RPG circles, is considered a negative anyway) Really, in most RPG circles? The father of all published RPGs, the author of the all-time best-selling RPG, the guy who wrote Against the Giants and the Temple of Elemental Evil and the Tomb of Horrors and the Caves of Chaos? Could you perhaps say in some (i.e., joyless) RPG circles? |
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Post by archersix on Aug 2, 2016 20:55:50 GMT -6
Outside of RPG circles, in the larger current 'Geek Culture' Gygax is the only name that means anything. Before Gary passed he was viewed as a kind of Stan Lee of the RPG world. I doubt hardly anyone knows the name Arneson.
That said, I wonder how much traction a D&D-less Gygax property would have.
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Post by xerxez on Aug 4, 2016 10:40:46 GMT -6
I'm a little downcast about the mists of emotion that swirl about the whole saga and also skeptical of quality and appeal of anything fresh, but hope Im wrong! For the majority of my gaming life Dave's name was simply known to me from the forward notes in a publication I owned. Not til I perused boards like this one did I get the minutia, the guts and gore of the saga of D&D. Its a bit reminiscent of the Grail story to me, fraught with humanity and failings and grievances but still representative of a great thing.
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