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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2011 6:41:23 GMT -6
I'm getting tired of playing editions where none of my players have rulebooks, so I'm looking at some of the recent games out there. I hate the term "clone" because nobody clones the original, but maybe "most like" instead.
I'm going to start a list of games I've been considering trying. Feel free to add to my list or correct me if I am wrong, and also feel free to evaluate what you like or dislike about these games.
Castles & Crusades ... most like AD&D meets 3E.
Labyrinth Lords ... most like B/X D&D
Swords & Wizardry WB ... most like 3 LBB OD&D
S&W Core or Complete ... most like 3 LBB + Supplements
OSRIC ... most like AD&D
BFRPG ... most like B/X D&D
Any obvious ones I have left out?
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Post by Finarvyn on Mar 8, 2011 7:55:43 GMT -6
Your list seems to hit most of the biggies. I think there is "Dark Dungeons" that is most like 2E AD&D. Probably some others that escape my brain at the moment.
To comment on the games on your list, I've played some, read others. In general all seem pretty well written. I'm kind of partial in some ways to C&C because it kind of started the new wave of games in 2003 and I got to playtest it early on. I also like S&W WB because I wrote it, although I'll confess I don't really play it much. I'm a fan of Labyrinth Lords although I'm not a big race=class guy.
They're all good, to me. Perhaps others will share their experiences.
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Post by kesher on Mar 8, 2011 9:48:12 GMT -6
Mutant Future...most like Gamma World
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Post by ckutalik on Mar 8, 2011 10:02:32 GMT -6
Your list seems to hit most of the biggies. I think there is "Dark Dungeons" that is most like 2E AD&D. Probably some others that escape my brain at the moment. I thought Dark Dungeons was most like BECMI or Rules Compendium D&D or am I getting it confused with another retro-clone? |
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Post by Lord Kilgore on Mar 8, 2011 10:54:33 GMT -6
I'm a fan of Labyrinth Lords although I'm not a big race=class guy. Labyrinth Lord + the LL Advanced Edition Companion is "most like B/X using AD&D classes, spells, and monsters." I like it a lot and if we were going to play something "by the book" this would be it. |
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Post by kesher on Mar 8, 2011 10:59:10 GMT -6
Indeed, it's a clone of the Rules Cyclopedia, named after the infamous Jack Chick anti-gaming tract from the 80's, and featuring in the rule-fic the Chicktian character Black Leaf, who not only doesn't die from a poison needle trap, but goes on to become Immortal. Thanks, Akratic Wizardry... |
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Post by bluskreem on Mar 8, 2011 11:49:52 GMT -6
Wizards Warriors and Wyrms is a great Holmes + meepo analogue
Red Box Fantasy is sort of a BX if it were released in the 2000's
Dangers & Dweomers is most like BX (BFRPG meets S&W:WB)
Swords of Abandon is most like Empire of the Petal Throne
Hack Master 4th ed is most like 2nd ed
Big Brown Book is most like OD&D
Adventures Dark and Deep is an attempt at reimagining a Gygaxian 2nd ed
There are a few incomplete 2nd ed clones floating about that may or may not be being worked on. Seems to be a hard edition to clone.
Gold and Glory
Realms of Eternal Epic / Myth & Magic
Black Book Advanced
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Post by geoffrey on Mar 8, 2011 11:54:05 GMT -6
S&W Core or Complete ... most like 3 LBB + Supplements I'd sub-divide that: S&W Core ... most like 3 LBB + Supplement I: GREYHAWK S&W Complete ... most like 3 LBB + Supplements I through III |
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Post by Finarvyn on Mar 8, 2011 13:23:15 GMT -6
Adventures Dark and Deep is an attempt at reimagining a Gygaxian 2nd ed Argh. That's the one I was thinking of; I got them confused.  I should stick to stuff I know something about.  |
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Post by kenmeister on Mar 8, 2011 19:16:43 GMT -6
I'm getting tired of playing editions where none of my players have rulebooks, so I'm looking at some of the recent games out there. I hate the term "clone" because nobody clones the original, but maybe "most like" instead. I'm going to start a list of games I've been considering trying. Feel free to add to my list or correct me if I am wrong, and also feel free to evaluate what you like or dislike about these games. Castles & Crusades ... most like AD&D meets 3E. Labyrinth Lords ... most like B/X D&D Swords & Wizardry WB ... most like 3 LBB OD&D S&W Core or Complete ... most like 3 LBB + Supplements OSRIC ... most like AD&D BFRPG ... most like B/X D&D Any obvious ones I have left out? I would recommend C&C or BFRPG; neither have racial level limits and both compensate humans for it. To me, that is the best "modern sensibility" on top of the old beloved rule system you're gonna want. That, and both have ascending ac. |
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Post by Falconer on Mar 9, 2011 20:56:33 GMT -6
I'm getting tired of playing editions where none of my players have rulebook I like to stockpile AD&D 1e PHBs. They are pretty easy to get pretty cheap on eBay in pretty good condition. I suppose print runs in those days far exceeded anything we’re seeing today. Anyway, I can then sell or gift them to my players. Problem solved! |
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Post by snorri on Mar 10, 2011 3:40:50 GMT -6
Downloaded Wizards Warriors and Wyrms and wordsofAbandon.great stuff!
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Post by norse on Mar 10, 2011 5:07:57 GMT -6
Mutant Future...most like Gamma World Mutant Future - Sort of like Gamma World. |
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Post by kesher on Mar 10, 2011 9:07:46 GMT -6
Mutant Future...most like Gamma World Mutant Future - Sort of like Gamma World. Well, most like GW of anything that's out there. That I know of, anyhow...  Speaking of which, there are a ton of these games I've never even heard of! How did that happen? I know I can (and will!) google, but may I respectfully request that links be added... |
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Post by bluskreem on Mar 10, 2011 23:02:02 GMT -6
Downloaded Wizards Warriors and Wyrms and wordsofAbandon.great stuff! Agreed, I hope it gets lulued soon. It could easily become a game of choice for me. |
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Post by kesher on Mar 11, 2011 10:02:19 GMT -6
This RetroRoleplaying post relates directly to what we're talking about here, and should maybe go in the Resources forum, too... |
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Post by Rhuvein on Mar 12, 2011 22:35:59 GMT -6
My list is, in no particular order: D&D w/sups BD&D C&C BECMI AD&D |
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