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Post by badger2305 on Feb 15, 2008 16:31:16 GMT -6
I've always used "referee" because that's what I learned back in 1975. I've occasionally used "gamemaster" since then, but "judge" never quite sounded right, and "dungeonmaster" sounded far too much like whips and chains (YMMV).
Which term do you use? What does it say about your gaming style, and maybe when you started gaming?
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Post by Zulgyan on Feb 15, 2008 16:38:39 GMT -6
I use any of the terms interchangeably, according to my mood. All of them suit well my style I think.
Referee: this means I don't make the decisions for my players. I just rule the results.
Judge: this means I try to be impartial and fair.
Dungeon Master: this suits me well, because the mega-dungeon is the central piece of my campaign.
In Argentina it's very common to just say "the master".
"Let's play, I'll be the master".
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Post by foster1941 on Feb 15, 2008 16:43:45 GMT -6
I normally use referee because it's what's in the OD&D boxed set, it's what Traveller has always used, and "dungeonmaster" and "gamemaster" are both just lame and silly (that said, I'll often use the abbreviated versions, DM and GM). Judge is cool because it's (apparently) the term they used in Lake Geneva, and of course Judges Guild, but I can't recall ever using it.
An intriguing (to me) old-school-name-for-guy-who-runs-the-game is "ghod" -- I've seen it listed in synonyms for ref/judge/DM/GM/whatever, but never knew anybody or any game that actually used it. Was this something from 70s amateur-press culture or what?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2008 20:36:46 GMT -6
"dungeonmaster" sounded far too much like whips and chains (YMMV). Shiny shiny, shiny boots of leather... ;D I stick with Dungeon Master out of habit (that reflects when I really started playing D&D [Black Box {1991}]). It doesn't really matter either way to me though--I've been called much worse at the gaming table...
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Post by Falconer on Feb 16, 2008 1:32:38 GMT -6
I’ve been trying to call myself the “Referee,” but as a sports reference it just sounds way out of place to me. Also, being three syllables, it doesn’t slip off the tongue easily. “Ref” seems even more out of place—like, yeah right, we’re a bunch of nerds pretending we’re just like football players.
“Judge” is authentic, it’s one simple syllable, it’s appropriate. It seems a tad pretentious, but more so than a title with the word “Master” in it? No. I think I’ll try for this one.
The title “Dungeon Master” has always been open to ridicule and embarrassment. The acronym “DM” is just fine, and is probably what I’ll be known as forever. That’s okay, too. Regards.
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Post by Finarvyn on Feb 16, 2008 8:29:27 GMT -6
I always liked "Dungeon Master" best becasue referee seemed strange from the beginning. I sometimes use "Game Master" when I discuss more recent games because it's a more generic title.
Call me the DM!
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Post by badger2305 on Feb 16, 2008 9:55:04 GMT -6
I also think there's a regional and time component to all of this; I noticed awhile ago that "referee" and "judge" are terms used by gamers who started quite some time ago, while GM and DM came later. "Judge" also seems to have a regional side to it; I rarely heard it used in the Twin Cities, but it seemed more common further east, e.g. "Judges Guild". It's probably more complex than this, but I've used what term gamers use as a rough rule of thumb for when they started gaming.
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Post by Falconer on Feb 16, 2008 14:43:20 GMT -6
What was Arneson referred to in the proto-D&D days?
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Post by Zulgyan on Feb 16, 2008 14:57:25 GMT -6
This a question for the original players of the Blackmoor campaign.
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Post by Rhuvein on Feb 16, 2008 15:00:10 GMT -6
Even though the BD&D rulebook (preface) mentions "game referee" - it does so to describe the "Dungeon Master".
Since I related referee to sports and judge to our court system, before playing D&D, I've always used dungeon master or DM. The other two terms don't elicit a fantasy world for me the way dungeon master does. IMO, I think it fits perfectly.
;D
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Post by coffee on Feb 16, 2008 17:28:56 GMT -6
I'm going to go with DM, myself. I finally ran OD&D today, and that's what my players called me.
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Post by ffilz on Feb 17, 2008 0:26:11 GMT -6
I was initially confused and thought there was both a dungeon master and a referree. As soon as I was unconfused, I think I always used dungeon master, or more commonly DM after that. If I'm playing something other than D&D, I go with games master or GM. I generally don't like the silly titles some of the newfangled games use.
Frank
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Post by coffee on Feb 17, 2008 1:19:16 GMT -6
Newfangled? The practice of giving alternate names to the GM dates back at least to 1980.
Top Secret from that year called the GM the "Administrator".
Also, I totally agree. Administrator isn't so bad, but some of them are downright ludicrous.
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Post by makofan on Feb 17, 2008 9:50:55 GMT -6
I guess I'll always be the DM
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Post by Finarvyn on Feb 17, 2008 11:35:06 GMT -6
I wish there was some way to make this into a poll without having to make a new thread. This would be a great poll question!
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Post by badger2305 on Feb 17, 2008 14:26:04 GMT -6
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Post by Rhuvein on Feb 17, 2008 15:49:31 GMT -6
I wish there was some way to make this into a poll without having to make a new thread. This would be a great poll question! Darn, I guess the Proboards forum software doesn't allow the editing of the original post to add a poll, like you can in phpBB software?
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Post by mauricio on Feb 25, 2008 17:15:03 GMT -6
None, I just use their real names.
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Post by robertthebald on Mar 1, 2008 14:27:16 GMT -6
What was Arneson referred to in the proto-D&D days? We normally just referred to him as David. No titles were necessary or desired on his part.
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Post by crimhthanthegreat on Mar 1, 2008 14:54:17 GMT -6
I normally refer to the role that I fill in the game as the referee. As to what the players call me, the guys I grew up with just call me Crim, since that kind of developed into my nickname, the other players call me Dad, Grandpa, Uncle etc. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2008 6:59:37 GMT -6
Good thing we don't have a poll, then. I'm pretty sure that "Grandpa" wouldn't have been one of the choices.
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Post by grodog on Mar 2, 2008 19:06:46 GMT -6
An intriguing (to me) old-school-name-for-guy-who-runs-the-game is "ghod" -- I've seen it listed in synonyms for ref/judge/DM/GM/whatever, but never knew anybody or any game that actually used it. Was this something from 70s amateur-press culture or what? It was definitely still in use in the early '80s, since the Grenadier Visual Dungeon (constructed by Grenadier and Armory, although I don't recall the double-billing in the conventions I attended BITD) references it; there's some sense that they could be referring to the gods in the game OR the DMs; I had always assumed it was deities until now.... See the pamphlet @ www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/temp/Grenadier_and_Armory_Visual_Dungeon.pdf
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Post by grodog on Mar 3, 2008 8:01:01 GMT -6
I also think there's a regional and time component to all of this; I noticed awhile ago that "referee" and "judge" are terms used by gamers who started quite some time ago, while GM and DM came later. Interestingly, the "Dungeons & Dragons" pamphlets/history articles by Steve Jackson of GW published in 1976 in Games & Puzzles used the terms umpire and gamemaster: Is "Game smaster" a UK regionalism too? I don't recall the plural being used in WD, but I also haven't actively read WD for years. Anyone else recall that variant? If you're curious about further info on this article, see the Acaeum @ www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4298&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60 (about 3/4 down the page). === And, relatedly to Trent's "ghods" observation, the section of the article that talks about the GM's responsibilities is entitled "The Dungeon-God" (though sans additional "h").
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Post by coffee on Mar 3, 2008 9:58:28 GMT -6
All this reminds me of "the DM is God" discussions we used to have, back in the early 80s. The best response I've heard to that comes from S. John Ross, creator of Risus and Encounter Critical: "No, the DM is not god; god is one of my little NPCs."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2008 16:30:01 GMT -6
The best response I've heard to that comes from S. John Ross, creator of Risus and Encounter Critical: "No, the DM is not god; god is one of my little NPCs." Nice.
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