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Post by Finarvyn on Oct 27, 2007 10:48:34 GMT -6
From the "is platemail too cheap" thread... (c) half-nude barbarians/amazons with rippling/supple musculature and statuesque build. But that's another thread, methinks... Say ... how come nobody started this thread?  I kept waiting and waiting...  |
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Post by calithena on Oct 27, 2007 17:43:27 GMT -6
In later versions of D&D, you have the option of having Charisma and Dexterity add to armor class for characters who wear no armor at all...this might be incorporated with Greyhawk in the old game perhaps...
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Post by thorswulf on Oct 27, 2007 22:28:05 GMT -6
Maybe we have outlived the stereotypical half nude barbarians and amazons.... Nah, couldn't happen! I think it does reflect the times when we started fantasy gaming for sure. Some gamers even find this imagery offensive and sexist.
NOT ME!!!!
Sorry folks I grew up with The Savage Sword of Conan, Frank Frazetta, and Boris Vallejo's artwork. To me swords and sorcery is ALL about half or fully naked barbarians and amazons. I am unashamed of this too, and I'll explain why.
I am a modern man with modern sensibilites. I respect women as my equals, and respect how others may feel about things. I also am free to politely disagree with what others may believe. As long as other folks are of a similar mind set about respecting another's right to have an opinion I think we can more or less get along as ADULTS. And as an adult and a father I do worry about objectifying women in our culture. 'Nuff said.
I like the image of the barbarian and the amazon in mythology and sword and sorcery tales. Oh perhaps it gratifys my id, or some other psychological crap. I like it none the less. Why is this imagery so shocking to others? Maybe they're suffering from the same shock the Romans did when woad painted, naked Celts screamed bloody murder and tried to stab them to death.
No? Maybe nudity just shocks them in general because they have issues about their own bodies? Possibly. Maybe they just don't like it? Fine, you are entitled to your opinion! And so am I.
Long live half naked barbarians and amazons!
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Post by philotomy on Oct 28, 2007 8:34:26 GMT -6
I agree with everything you said, here. I would also add like to add completely naked amazons to the "long live..." sentiment.
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Post by thorswulf on Oct 28, 2007 22:24:26 GMT -6
*Sigh* Oh, yeah. I know this may be hereticcal to some of you Conan fans out there, but I think they miscast Arnie for Conan. They should have cast Sven Ole Thorsson for the role. He's Thulsa Doom's henchman who gets spiked on the trap at the battle in the standidng stones. He's big, he's buff, hell the man's a friggin viking in name! By the way he starred in a cool movie called The Viking Sagas. Based on a real person, and the sagas written around the same. It has some lovely gruesome mayhem, including a hall burning!
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Post by crimhthanthegreat on Oct 29, 2007 6:45:55 GMT -6
Maybe we have outlived the stereotypical half nude barbarians and amazons.... Nah, couldn't happen! I think it does reflect the times when we started fantasy gaming for sure. Some gamers even find this imagery offensive and sexist. NOT ME!!!! Sorry folks I grew up with The Savage Sword of Conan, Frank Frazetta, and Boris Vallejo's artwork. To me swords and sorcery is ALL about half or fully naked barbarians and amazons. I am unashamed of this too, and I'll explain why. I am a modern man with modern sensibilites. I respect women as my equals, and respect how others may feel about things. I also am free to politely disagree with what others may believe. As long as other folks are of a similar mind set about respecting another's right to have an opinion I think we can more or less get along as ADULTS. And as an adult and a father I do worry about objectifying women in our culture. 'Nuff said. I like the image of the barbarian and the amazon in mythology and sword and sorcery tales. Oh perhaps it gratifys my id, or some other psychological crap. I like it none the less. Why is this imagery so shocking to others? Maybe they're suffering from the same shock the Romans did when woad painted, naked Celts screamed bloody murder and tried to stab them to death. No? Maybe nudity just shocks them in general because they have issues about their own bodies? Possibly. Maybe they just don't like it? Fine, you are entitled to your opinion! And so am I. Long live half naked barbarians and amazons! Have an exalt for the entire post! |
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Post by Stonegiant on Oct 29, 2007 14:40:12 GMT -6
*Sigh* Oh, yeah. I know this may be hereticcal to some of you Conan fans out there, but I think they miscast Arnie for Conan. They should have cast Sven Ole Thorsson for the role. He's Thulsa Doom's henchman who gets spiked on the trap at the battle in the standidng stones. He's big, he's buff, hell the man's a friggin viking in name! By the way he starred in a cool movie called The Viking Sagas. Based on a real person, and the sagas written around the same. It has some lovely gruesome mayhem, including a hall burning! Viking Sagas, rocks! The whole thing was shot in Iceland and the scenery is absolutley beautiful to behold. It rates very high on my list of D&D inspiration movies. |
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Post by thorswulf on Oct 29, 2007 21:36:30 GMT -6
Yeah, they just don't make GOOD Viking movies like that very often!
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Post by tgamemaster1975 on Nov 18, 2007 20:09:24 GMT -6
*Sigh* Oh, yeah. I know this may be hereticcal to some of you Conan fans out there, but I think they miscast Arnie for Conan. They should have cast Sven Ole Thorsson for the role. He's Thulsa Doom's henchman who gets spiked on the trap at the battle in the standidng stones. He's big, he's buff, hell the man's a friggin viking in name! By the way he starred in a cool movie called The Viking Sagas. Based on a real person, and the sagas written around the same. It has some lovely gruesome mayhem, including a hall burning! I have to agree, I think Arnie was not the best guy for the part, even though I love watching Arnie. Not heretical at all from my viewpoint. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2007 11:08:31 GMT -6
This is my first post here to this board, and I just wanted to say THANK YOU to the board for creating this topic/thread! Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person in the world who feels the way I do about things. Half-nude barbarians/amazons are characters I greatly love. I own DVDs of Conan, Barbarian Queen, Amazons, you-name-it; if it has unarmored or lightly armored Heroes swinging swords and cutting down hordes of nameless thugs and barely breaking a sweat to do so, I am so there! And Original D&D (although you have to "house rule" it to make Barbarians & Amazons work), is still the greatest "simple" game ever made. Again, thank you to everyone who created this place, and also to everyone who posts here! It's very nice to have a place where people understand you! (Is that kind of like an alignment language?  ) |
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Post by makofan on Nov 20, 2007 9:38:13 GMT -6
I think it is important to remember that we play a fantasy role-playing game. Fantasy is a healthy part of every person's life, too often repressed by society. If beefy barbarian men in loincloths, or amazons in leather evoke a pleasant feeling in you, then include them! Just remember, though, that D&D is a social game, and thus tolerances to each others' sensibilities should always be considered. When everybody's ideas get shared, it is the best possible experience.
My last D&D group had three women and three men. One woman was the type of die-hard anti-male that gives feminists a bad name. She spent most of her evenings railing against the depictions and status of women in the campaign. I told her that she could always have her character work on a grand plan to change the world to a better place for women; anything is possible in D&D. Perhaps her thief could work toward setting up a secret network of women all working to overthrow men. Another woman played a flame-haired fighter in skimpy chain mail that could kick all the other fighters' butts; in her fantasy she WANTED to be a Red Sonja. The third woman was very conservative and played a well-dressed cleric who wore full plate mail and blue robes over top of that, and always acted regal and serene.
The campaign was very successful, lasted seven years of real time and endured a move of 200 km. The characters were 8th-10th level when we finally concluded it. A memorable pair of PC's were Glowlimb Leatherboy and Galen Limbwalker, the partners who ran a key elven conclave in the northern forest where many of the adventures took place
So all types of experiences can be included; bring on the Half-nude barbarians and amazons indeed!
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Post by vladtolenkov on Nov 20, 2007 16:31:06 GMT -6
You may want to check out my thread in the Warriors of Mars section entitled Armor (or lack of) on Barsoom. In it, I propose a defensive bonus system designed to deal with the AC problems of half-nude folk on Barsoom. It certainly would also work for any Frazetta/Vallejo style barbarian folk.
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Post by crimhthanthegreat on Nov 20, 2007 21:32:18 GMT -6
I have tribes of half-naked barbarians who don't have much in the way of armor or clothes to speak of. I house rule it so that they get a decent AC anyway, that is what is really great about OD&D you can easily make the adjustments to make about anything workable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 20:33:39 GMT -6
How many half-naked barbarians who don't have much in the way of armor in a tribe?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Apr 16, 2020 20:52:15 GMT -6
12 and a half years between posts is no issue at all here on these boards  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 21:52:56 GMT -6
The post - I think it's a question that has finally arrived. |
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Post by Vile Traveller on Apr 16, 2020 23:24:56 GMT -6
How many half-naked barbarians who don't have much in the way of armor in a tribe? In the average barbarian tribe almost no one has any armour apart from the chieftain and maybe a few of his or her warriors. The rest make do with shields and maybe a padded cap. A bit more in Amazon tribes but it's hot, so only for serious fighting. |
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Post by jeffb on Apr 17, 2020 5:34:06 GMT -6
Half-Shmaff
T&T 1st Edition- Completely Naked Amazon and she even gets the mention in the TOC.
But you wouldn't want to be the last guy who was making googley eyes at her.
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Post by bigjackbrass on Apr 17, 2020 6:12:00 GMT -6
🎶 Half-nude barbarians, Amazons rippling,
These are a few of my favourite things… 🎶
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Post by Piper on Apr 17, 2020 6:22:33 GMT -6
🎶 Half-nude barbarians, Amazons rippling, Ogres attacking, drunken dwarves tippling .. |
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Post by DungeonDevil on Apr 17, 2020 8:22:12 GMT -6
Fantasy is the realm of the idealised, "dream body", the Greco-Roman ideal, somatic perfection honed by sheer necessity of survival -- not vanity. The genre at its purest isn't burdened by the body-shaming, misogyny, gynophobia and dysmorphia of certain alien creeds.
How many people sit down at the table to roll up a character and say, "You know what? I wanna play a feeble, crippled, club-footed hunchback with leprosy, who expectorates blood every few minutes and has pink-eye." (STR 3, CON 3, DEX 3, CHA 3, etc.)
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Post by jeffb on Apr 17, 2020 8:56:14 GMT -6
How many people sit down at the table to roll up a character and say, "You know what? I wanna play a feeble, crippled, club-footed hunchback with leprosy, who expectorates blood every few minutes and has pink-eye." (STR 3, CON 3, DEX 3, CHA 3, etc.) It's a Fantasy RPG, why the hell would I want to play someone just like myself?? |
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Post by Piper on Apr 17, 2020 9:43:52 GMT -6
How many people sit down at the table to roll up a character and say, "You know what? I wanna play a feeble, crippled, club-footed hunchback with leprosy, who expectorates blood every few minutes and has pink-eye." (STR 3, CON 3, DEX 3, CHA 3, etc.) I've never rolled a character that bad, but I've rolled some pretty dismal heroes a few times and had a lot of fun playing them. I do believe, however, if I came up all 3's or even all < 5 I'd probably ask for a mulligan from the referee!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 10:40:44 GMT -6
The greco roman ideal applied. The tribal that may be. It's in the stat block. It's in the grog.
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Post by Finarvyn on Apr 17, 2020 11:19:04 GMT -6
How many people sit down at the table to roll up a character and say, "You know what? I wanna play a feeble, crippled, club-footed hunchback with leprosy, who expectorates blood every few minutes and has pink-eye." (STR 3, CON 3, DEX 3, CHA 3, etc.) Stephen R. Donaldson? |
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Post by Piper on Apr 17, 2020 12:47:26 GMT -6
🎶 Half-nude barbarians, Amazons rippling, Ogres attacking, drunken dwarves tippling .. Gelatinous cube with great treasure inside, A magician's cloak made of black dragon hide! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 23:27:00 GMT -6
A process control block (PCB) atop a pile of polished silver ingots.
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Apr 18, 2020 1:49:38 GMT -6
Let me start by stating that I am a religious nut job. And in my Holy book, it days Man was created in God's own image, and Woman was made from Man. Man and Woman are, quite literally, the physical manifestation of the image of God.. And then they had to get tempted to do the Bad Thing and learn body shame as the Original Sin. But now, we get baptised to remove Original Sin! That's right: if anyone is unable to appreciate nude bodies of men and women as the literal images of God on Earth, they need to rethink their thinking.
So, I'm pretty happy with nude people running around with their magic warpaint to protect them instead of armor...
EDIT: I corrected multiple spelling, punctuation, and grammar errors. Was I drunk when I posted this? Was I high? I just don't know!
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Post by tdenmark on Apr 18, 2020 21:29:55 GMT -6
I've been doing a serious deep dive into John Buscema's work lately. No one drew Conan like he did, though many tried. Second only to Frazetta.  |
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Post by Malcadon on May 2, 2020 18:22:29 GMT -6
Personally, I refer that as default with regard to armor. I mean (with regards to AC), fur bikini = fur/hide armor; chainmail bikini = full chainmail armor; metal cod piece/bra = full platemail armor; Barsoomian battle-harness = leather armor; leather bandage gear = studded leather or ringmail armor. (Don't even ask about "half-plate" LOL) And don't think this is misogynistic, as I'm ALL ABOUT cheesecake AND beefcake. |
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