As far as I'm aware, Dave Sutherland's art first appeared in the 1975 Empire of the Petal Throne rulebook. At the time EPT was released, only the D&D boxed set and GREYHAWK had been published, and neither include art by Sutherland. The first EPT article appears in The Strategic Review #4, and Sutherland has no art in the first four issues of The Strategic Review.
So I'm thinking that Sutherland made his debut as a published artist with EPT in the summer of 1975. Is anyone aware of any of his art that was published earlier?
Post by James Maliszewski on Oct 8, 2009 7:53:07 GMT -6
Dave Sutherland is credited in my edition of the LBBs. Granted, I have an OCE printing, so it's possible Dave's name is a later addition to the credits. Interestingly, I can't find a single illustration in my LBBs that looks obviously like Sutherland's, but his name is listed nonetheless.
Didn't DCS play in M.A.R. Barker's campaign? If so, I expect he knew what an Ahoggya was.
Roll 1d8 to determine what you will be reading this evening: 1=Poul Anderson, 2=Robert E. Howard, 3=Fritz Leiber, 4=Ursula K. Le Guin, 5=H.P. Lovecraft, 6=Clark Ashton Smith, 7=Jack Vance, 8=Gene Wolfe
www.acaeum.com/forum/about5641.html * Mike introducing D&D to Phil - fair enough, phps and does not appear to be contested although elsewhere ( games.groups.yahoo.com/group/tekumel/message/24315 - original source for the previous(?), even if the woodgrains need bumping a few months) it's more that Mike was playing D&D and Phil watched, interpreted, critiqued and then constructed his own rules to incorporate Tekumel. So yes, "introduce" directly, or indirectly.
First contact in person by EGG and RJK is their trip up to MN in 1975 - attested by both; www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/erkme10.pdf & EGG's Q&A page 23 on EN World, conveniently clipped to www.acaeum.com/forum/about5641.html **. Setting aside that he notes only one print of EPT and is cagey on profit matters in context. - that EN World EGG quote, however, also has that Phil contacted EGG directly (either by letter or 'phone?), rather than from Dave, although that could easily have been at the behest of Dave? Presuming recollections to be correct, of course.
Mike and others could, of course, shed more light on that...
Anyhow; how many emails am I owing you by now? :/
** The "All the bells and whistles were to make the game as close to that Phil presented to his players" quote therein gets a smile as that reminds me of the deliberately nebulous/ambiguous wording in the intro in S3 where I've had fun discussing on wiki' with those who try to read more into things that is actually written by EGG - viz. in this case, with EPT, that the "bells and whistles" were in the product as published, rather than "all" created afresh by TSR to mirror Phil's game...
Last Edit: Oct 15, 2009 9:14:00 GMT -6 by harami2000