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Post by mrmanowar on Aug 31, 2023 23:46:26 GMT -6
Hi Chirine, (using the name as in a first {nomen}? nomenclature... just wanted to say thanks for all your updating on this stuff. I met you years ago in passing at a Gary Con but passing meetings of conversation consisting of only a few minutes doesn't constitute much. However, I have read this thread with great interest and I duly appreciate all the historical anecdotes alongside the commentary you have provided. Pardon my French but what the F*@# to people want regarding modern nomenclature as in terms that are en vogue today?
For me personally, I would like your insights into what happened "back in the day" from a historical perspective however that also includes how you are running games today! I'm sorry to hear of the dividing terminologies that encompass the splits that are discussed regarding Dave's game. What have we got ourselves into?
At any rate, thanks for providing your insights! I'll be checking your blog in the future. These stories matter. I enjoy reading each and every one of them.
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Post by chirinebakal on Sept 1, 2023 9:10:39 GMT -6
Hi Chirine, (using the name as in a first {nomen}? nomenclature... just wanted to say thanks for all your updating on this stuff. I met you years ago in passing at a Gary Con but passing meetings of conversation consisting of only a few minutes doesn't constitute much. However, I have read this thread with great interest and I duly appreciate all the historical anecdotes alongside the commentary you have provided. Pardon my French but what the F*@# to people want regarding modern nomenclature as in terms that are en vogue today? For me personally, I would like your insights into what happened "back in the day" from a historical perspective however that also includes how you are running games today! I'm sorry to hear of the dividing terminologies that encompass the splits that are discussed regarding Dave's game. What have we got ourselves into? At any rate, thanks for providing your insights! I'll be checking your blog in the future. These stories matter. I enjoy reading each and every one of them. Thanks for your kind words! I'm always happy to answer questions as best I can. I'd agree with you re the modern 'terms of art'. I don't know any of the games that get talked about, most of the time, let alone the 'lingo' that most gamers use. It's why I think I'm more or less irrelevant to gaming, these days. Ask away. The kind owner of this forum has suggested that he have a Q&A section for me, so you might want to talk to him about that. My old blog is gone. I took it down because of the backlash I was getting personally over Phil's stupid book. (Various people were 'data mining' it to find things that they could point to that PROVED that I am a Nazi - I drive a VW Bug, for example, which I'm told proves that I am a Nazi because the Bug was ordered by You Know Who and made with slave labor and I Should Have Known Better and boycotted VW. I got tired of it, and killed it. Lost 15 years worth of work, but so it goes. If I may be permitted a personal observation, we didn't know what Phil was up to, when we were in his circle, and nobody was at all interested in the reactions of my two Jewish daughters (who were taking care of him in his last illness) and who found and informed me of everything that they found. Nobody was interested in how I felt, after forty-five years of dealing with Tekumel. Given that one of my grandmothers was a Russian Jew - she got out, just in time - I do have some very strong opinions and some very great sadnesses with what happened with Phil. Several people who knew him told me after he passed away that I was the closest thing he'd had to a conscience; after I gave up on being his publisher in 1987, "all the control rods seemed to come out of the reactor.") My forum is still going, and there's a link to it in my signature. People are welcome, but have to be civil to each other; registrations are required, to keep it that way, and I've gotten hassled by people for that as well. Shrug. So it goes.
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 1, 2023 16:07:18 GMT -6
The kind owner of this forum has suggested that he have a Q&A section for me, so you might want to talk to him about that. How about this? odd74.proboards.com/board/173I was uncertain as to whether it should go under Arneson's Blackmoor, Barker's EPT, or somewhere else. I picked EPT but it might move around nomadically until I find just the right home for it.
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Post by chirinebakal on Sept 1, 2023 18:17:44 GMT -6
The kind owner of this forum has suggested that he have a Q&A section for me, so you might want to talk to him about that. How about this? odd74.proboards.com/board/173I was uncertain as to whether it should go under Arneson's Blackmoor, Barker's EPT, or somewhere else. I picked EPT but it might move around nomadically until I find just the right home for it. Thanks! I hope it helps people. Make sure that it's the right fit for what you want to do on this forum - it's yours, and I believe in "your house, your rules'.
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 2, 2023 8:54:58 GMT -6
Make sure that it's the right fit for what you want to do on this forum - it's yours, and I believe in "your house, your rules'. Do it think that everyone on this board will think it's their thing? No. Is there a place on this board for your style of play? YES!
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Post by chirinebakal on Sept 2, 2023 12:07:10 GMT -6
Sounds good. I don't claim to be some sort of 'authority' or 'oracle'; all I can do is report what I saw and heard, and people can take away what they can from that. I'm a resource, I'd like to think.
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Post by Malchor on Sept 25, 2023 21:15:00 GMT -6
I have no idea about the "Dueling Dave Cons" and as such would sit it out as well. What I would love to see is publication of any of Dave's notes and/or papers. Sort of a "First Fantasy Campaign II" perhaps. I would hope that such a publication would be as close to an exact replica as possible, as opposed to a "let's clean it up" kind of thing. (Some of the Holmes papers seem to be a clean-up.) Or better yet, placed in a university archive. Here is an example, The Tracy and Laura Hickman papers are held by Brigham Young University's library in special collections. The collection contains manuscripts, editors notes, fan letters, promotional content, book design covers, personal items and remembrances, games, books, newspapers, magazines, and memorabilia. Dated approximately 1980-2013. It is organized, preserved and open for public research. If you are in Provo, you can google the library, navigate to special collections and check the requirements for access, then make arrangements to view some of the material in the 29 boxes (14.5 Linear ft.). Here is the finding aid which incudes what is in the boxes: archives.lib.byu.edu/repositories/14/resources/11273Both Dave and Gary deserve to have their own work and collections preserved and made available to everyone to research.
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Post by Desparil on Sept 25, 2023 22:26:42 GMT -6
I have no idea about the "Dueling Dave Cons" and as such would sit it out as well. What I would love to see is publication of any of Dave's notes and/or papers. Sort of a "First Fantasy Campaign II" perhaps. I would hope that such a publication would be as close to an exact replica as possible, as opposed to a "let's clean it up" kind of thing. (Some of the Holmes papers seem to be a clean-up.) Or better yet, placed in a university archive. Here is an example, The Tracy and Laura Hickman papers are held by Brigham Young University's library in special collections. The collection contains manuscripts, editors notes, fan letters, promotional content, book design covers, personal items and remembrances, games, books, newspapers, magazines, and memorabilia. Dated approximately 1980-2013. It is organized, preserved and open for public research. If you are in Provo, you can google the library, navigate to special collections and check the requirements for access, then make arrangements to view some of the material in the 29 boxes (14.5 Linear ft.). Here is the finding aid which incudes what is in the boxes: archives.lib.byu.edu/repositories/14/resources/11273Both Dave and Gary deserve to have their own work and collections preserved and made available to everyone to research. Being stuck inside a single university's archive isn't much better than being hoarded by a private collector. If something is significant enough to be archived, then it should be scanned and the digital version made TRULY public.
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Post by Malchor on Sept 26, 2023 7:39:24 GMT -6
Or better yet, placed in a university archive. Here is an example, The Tracy and Laura Hickman papers are held by Brigham Young University's library in special collections. The collection contains manuscripts, editors notes, fan letters, promotional content, book design covers, personal items and remembrances, games, books, newspapers, magazines, and memorabilia. Dated approximately 1980-2013. It is organized, preserved and open for public research. If you are in Provo, you can google the library, navigate to special collections and check the requirements for access, then make arrangements to view some of the material in the 29 boxes (14.5 Linear ft.). Here is the finding aid which incudes what is in the boxes: archives.lib.byu.edu/repositories/14/resources/11273Both Dave and Gary deserve to have their own work and collections preserved and made available to everyone to research. Being stuck inside a single university's archive isn't much better than being hoarded by a private collector. If something is significant enough to be archived, then it should be scanned and the digital version made TRULY public. Surely you missed, "open for public research." Additionally, there is nothing locked away even by distance. Interlibrary Loans now covers scanning of portions of works for free depending your own library's policies. Reaching out to an institution and politely asking will get you a good deal of materials scanned for free. Many archives are digitizing their collections and putting them online as well. The idea that things are locked away in university's archives is archaic. Plus, having the original physical items safely stored with an institution that has staff and resources to properly preserve the items means those wanting to publish those materials have a simple accessible source and of course, copyright does need to be considered as well.
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Post by Desparil on Sept 26, 2023 17:49:31 GMT -6
Being stuck inside a single university's archive isn't much better than being hoarded by a private collector. If something is significant enough to be archived, then it should be scanned and the digital version made TRULY public. Surely you missed, "open for public research." Additionally, there is nothing locked away even by distance. Interlibrary Loans now covers scanning of portions of works for free depending your own library's policies. Reaching out to an institution and politely asking will get you a good deal of materials scanned for free. Many archives are digitizing their collections and putting them online as well. The idea that things are locked away in university's archives is archaic. Plus, having the original physical items safely stored with an institution that has staff and resources to properly preserve the items means those wanting to publish those materials have a simple accessible source and of course, copyright does need to be considered as well. "Open for public research" has a very bad track record of requiring all kinds of paperwork and/or professional credentials to be allowed to access, let alone the travel requirements of actually visiting the place with the items. If they are in fact willing to scan them for ILL, then it shouldn't be a problem to make those same scans publicly available, yet I don't generally see that happening. This part, specifically, is what I'm advocating for. I never said a university can't hold onto the originals, but digitization is NOT the standard at present - case in point, the link you provided to the Weis and Hickman collection does not include digitized copies or even mere photos of the items.
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Post by Malchor on Sept 29, 2023 7:31:30 GMT -6
"Open for public research" has a very bad track record of requiring all kinds of paperwork and/or professional credentials to be allowed to access, let alone the travel requirements of actually visiting the place with the items. If they are in fact willing to scan them for ILL, then it shouldn't be a problem to make those same scans publicly available, yet I don't generally see that happening. The reality of my experiences in actually doing research and working with the people at these institutions while to study wargames and the history of D&D does not match what you are saying. The reality does not match what you imagine. This part, specifically, is what I'm advocating for. I never said a university can't hold onto the originals, but digitization is NOT the standard at present - case in point, the link you provided to the Weis and Hickman collection does not include digitized copies or even mere photos of the items. Again, copyright is still at play here.
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Post by Desparil on Sept 29, 2023 12:05:34 GMT -6
Again, copyright is still at play here. If the author (or estate) has voluntarily provided the originals to be preserved for posterity, then it should be as simple as the archivist requesting permission to host digital copies of the work. Alternatively, if there is intent to make a profit off of them, then they should be compiled into a book and sold to the general public, like The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien. Otherwise, I can only attribute exceptions either to neglect on the part of the archivist or fickleness on the part of the author.
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