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Post by Mordorandor on Jan 1, 2023 13:11:15 GMT -6
Can someone help me find this reference?
Here's the relevant sentence in the entry on Morale in the Man-to-Man section:
"For a Cavalry Charge use Combat Tables for 1:20 to determine if a check is necessary; double for flank and/or rear attacks, i.e., 4 Heavy Foot must check if charged by 1 Heavy Horse (8 Heavy Foot must check if attacked in flank/rear."
For the life of me, I can't recall the other ratio guideline this is referencing ... the piece about 4 HF checking if 1 HH charges.
I can't seem to find mention of this ratio when I do a quick search.
Would someone be able to help me find the pertinent section?
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Post by derv on Jan 1, 2023 13:47:45 GMT -6
Can someone help me find this reference? Here's the relevant sentence in the entry on Morale in the Man-to-Man section: "For a Cavalry Charge use Combat Tables for 1:20 to determine if a check is necessary; double for flank and/or rear attacks, i.e., 4 Heavy Foot must check if charged by 1 Heavy Horse (8 Heavy Foot must check if attacked in flank/rear." For the life of me, I can't recall the other ratio guideline this is referencing ... the piece about 4 HF checking if 1 HH charges. I can't seem to find mention of this ratio when I do a quick search. Would someone be able to help me find the pertinent section? The reference is found on CM p23 (2e) or p26 (3e) under "Morale". It is referring to the Appendix A Combat Tables. |
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Post by Mordorandor on Jan 1, 2023 14:29:47 GMT -6
.... Would someone be able to help me find the pertinent section? The reference is found on CM p23 (2e) or p26 (3e) under "Morale". It is referring to the Appendix A Combat Tables. Thank you derv. What exactly is this referring to. If I'm reading this section of CM correctly it's introducing a new method for conducting Morale checks, obliquely referring to the Combat Tables to indicate the ratio of foe vs foe to determine when to make such a check. Is that how you're reading it? So I'm to look at the Combat Tables, see that HH vs HF is 3 dice for every 1 combatant/figure, and with a +1 for flanking, that becomes 4:1, and so, for every 1 HH charging, 4 HF would make the check. If it was LF, it would be 5:1. If this is the correct way to read that sentence, that seems like a very ... odd/simple/obscure ... way to introduce a new method for checking Morale!  |
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Post by Mordorandor on Jan 1, 2023 14:37:50 GMT -6
The reference is found on CM p23 (2e) or p26 (3e) under "Morale". It is referring to the Appendix A Combat Tables. .... So I'm to look at the Combat Tables, see that HH vs HF is 3 dice for every 1 combatant/figure, and with a +1 for flanking, that becomes 4:1, and so, for every 1 HH charging, 4 HF would make the check. If it was LF, it would be 5:1. .... And just to be clear, where is this 4:1 ratio coming from? I see no standard 4:1 ratio on the table except for HH vs LF. That ratio is "4 dice per man, 5,6 kills." To get to the 4:1 ratio for HH vs HF, one must read into the ratio mentioned in CM to mean this is a flanking situation, which grants HH a +1 to dice on the Combat Tables, raising the 3:1 ratio to 4:1. But then, the text in CM notes that flanking doubles the ratio, from 4:1 to 8:1. Was the CM reference to HF meant to be LF? Because then that makes more sense without all the mental hoops to jump through to get to the ratio. And again, what an odd why to introduce this new way of checking for Morale. |
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Post by Mordorandor on Jan 1, 2023 15:12:50 GMT -6
Another question on the Morale check for cavalry charge.
Would a failed Morale check for a combatant mean the combatant is "removed from play" immediately, as in the case with a failed Morale check for a side that lost a third of its members (since this sentence follows that reference in this section)?
Or would a failed check result in retreat, moving "backs to the enemy, and must rally," as noted in the section on cavalry charge?
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Post by derv on Jan 1, 2023 16:41:17 GMT -6
The instructions are not exactly clear. Essentially, when using the Man-to-Man Tables you are instructed to forget about the morale of the individual units (figures) but for this one exception. Otherwise, morale is checked for an entire army of figures when 33% losses occur.
The Calvary Charge check is referring you back to p18 (3e) of the Mass Combat rules. Since you are now dealing with figures representing individuals instead of figures representing units of men you want to see if a check is even needed first.
You are supposed to check using the table of the men being charged. So, the ratio arrived at in the text uses the HF table, not the HH table. Simply cross reference Heavy Foot vs Heavy Horse where it says, "1 die per four men". That's the ratio 1:4. Practically speaking, if a single HH figure charges four HF figures they would need to check morale as presented on p18. If they fail the check they would retreat 1 1/2 moves with their backs to the enemy where they would need to rally. They full calvary charge may still bring them back into melee contact. If so, refer to the rules prior on p16 regarding "Retreat and Rout".
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Post by Mordorandor on Jan 1, 2023 17:15:29 GMT -6
The instructions are not exactly clear. Essentially, .... That was exceptionally helpful derv. Thank you. Makes perfect sense now. |
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