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Post by Starbeard on Aug 1, 2022 15:19:14 GMT -6
For no reason in particular: If you've ever wanted to try out Greyhawk's Weapon vs AC tables but didn't want to do the fiddly parts of looking up every modifier, then you can try these. I based them on Nagora's AD&D weapon vs AC tables. Basically, it pre-factors all modifiers into a single d20 attack table that resembles Chainmail (find your weapon, find their armor type, that's your number to hit), and each class has a "combat bonus" it adds to the roll based on level. The result is 100% identical to what you'd get from the M&M d20 matrix combined with the WvAC modifiers. It should speed up the process a lot, since you don't need to interpret what sort of armor a certain AC is. If there is any magical AC going on, then that would simply add to the number needed. For example: A 6th level fighter (combat bonus +2) wields a battle axe against an evil priest wearing chain and shield. Battle axe vs Chain & shield = 16+ and the fighter rolls 1d20+2. Now let's say the evil priest has a ring of protection +1 and a shield +2: we'd call that Chain & Shield (+3), bumping the 16+ to 19+. docs.google.com/document/d/1t9HxvBIgVXNbisMHnVKhql8zfKOAZoo-Nbzx1A2Gskg/edit?usp=sharing
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Post by Mushgnome on Aug 1, 2022 15:59:08 GMT -6
Very nice work! I love this kind of stuff.
If I'm interpreting this correctly (low number = good) Gygax believed a dagger is the best weapon vs. plate armor? It certainly gives Magic-Users a nice "buff" in melee!
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Post by Starbeard on Aug 1, 2022 16:28:26 GMT -6
Dagnabbit! Apparently moving from one application to Google docs, I forgot to switch the formulas around. So what you're seeing in this document are penalties and bonuses inverted. Daggers vs plate should be 20, not 14, for example. That's why we post these things, to let others catch them! I will fix the formulas ASAP and post a revision. But you are correct in a sense: if you see the asterisk, the humble dagger is one of the weapons given a separate to-hit chart if the defender is prone. Plated knights are no match to a knife in the armpit!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 16:42:04 GMT -6
Very nice work! I love this kind of stuff. If I'm interpreting this correctly (low number = good) Gygax believed a dagger is the best weapon vs. plate armor? It certainly gives Magic-Users a nice "buff" in melee! In HEMA, they often teach "half-swording" as a legitimate technique to go through the weak points in plate armor. Essentially gripping halfway or more up the blade of your sword and jabbing the pointy end through the gaps. This is based on medieval codices on combat, so presumably there's historical precedent. Not really the same as using a dagger but assuming you could break inside their defenses without getting pummeled, the effect would be the same.
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Post by Starbeard on Aug 1, 2022 16:50:58 GMT -6
Okay, melee tables fixed. Daggers go -3/-3/-1/0/0/0/+1/+2 for ACs 2-9, and so should read: 20/19/16/14/13/12/10/8. Rearranged to this table, which splits "with shield" and "without shield" into its own sections for ease of reference, the dagger line should read: 20/16/13/10 - 19/14/12/8.
I'll check ranged tables in a bit to make sure I didn't screw up there either.
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Post by Starbeard on Aug 1, 2022 17:15:29 GMT -6
Alrighty, ranged numbers looked good, but I changed them anyway. I had been factoring the Men & Magic range modifiers (-2 to the target number at short range, -1 at medium), but looking over the WvAC factors in Greyhawk I now believe that they are intended to replace the M&M range modifiers.
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Post by hamurai on Aug 1, 2022 23:01:17 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing! I'll take a closer look at it after work.
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Post by ravenheart87 on Aug 4, 2022 9:50:26 GMT -6
Looks pretty d**n useful. Thanks for sharing! Now all I need is someone crazy enough to do this for AD&D1e.
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Post by hamurai on Aug 4, 2022 10:02:23 GMT -6
Looks pretty good indeed! Thanks again!
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Post by Starbeard on Aug 4, 2022 11:18:29 GMT -6
Looks pretty d**n useful. Thanks for sharing! Now all I need is someone crazy enough to do this for AD&D1e. You are in luck, sir. Nagora over on Dragonsfoot has done exactly this, and even took the time to put it into a nice printable layout with a description of how it all works. www.2worthingtons.net/downloads/newcombat.pdf
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Post by ravenheart87 on Aug 9, 2022 5:00:52 GMT -6
Looks pretty d**n useful. Thanks for sharing! Now all I need is someone crazy enough to do this for AD&D1e. You are in luck, sir. Nagora over on Dragonsfoot has done exactly this, and even took the time to put it into a nice printable layout with a description of how it all works. www.2worthingtons.net/downloads/newcombat.pdfDéja vu, I might have seen this before... Thanks!
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