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Post by tombowings on Jun 3, 2022 10:20:03 GMT -6
I regularly attend conventions and also play locally, whatever is the current edition is what people generally play and the games you can find. As well as new high quality content being made for. Also it tends to be the edition that new gamers are being brought into the fold with. My own regular group tends to be eclectic. Dungeons & Dragons isn't just branding, it has a specific flavor to it that is special and unique. The 4e era was strange as Pathfinder started taking over but I never really got into it because it was unnecessarily fiddly and detailed for me. For an off-brand to be more D&D than the official brand was...weird. To me, D&D = role playing game. When I'm playing RuneQuest, Call of Cthulhu, or even Traveler, I'm still playing D&D, more or less. Referee makes the world, the players create and assume avatars in that world. Everything beyond is a house rule. The more versions of D&D, the better. I enjoy picking and choosing, mixing and matching, from a wide variety of sources. My views are probably not popular, however. Luckily, no one has to share them. |
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Post by tdenmark on Jun 6, 2022 1:21:43 GMT -6
To me, D&D = role playing game. When I'm playing RuneQuest, Call of Cthulhu, or even Traveler, I'm still playing D&D, more or less. The Insanity mechanic made Call of Cthulhu into a completely different experience. RuneQuest is the best of the skills based systems, in my opinion, and as much as I like it, that game proves Classes and Levels are a better mechanic as a game. 10 years away from D&D from 1990-2000 made me appreciate that. But, wow, what a fantastic world Glorantha is. One of the best examples of world building you can find. Back to the topic: The 50th anniversary of D&D may be a nostalgia fest to some degree, but I imagine WotC is just going to double down on 5th edition with a revised version of it, probably removing certain things that the new fan base finds offensive: alignment, qualitative difference between races, and no evil races. It may become even harder to kill PC's. Of course they may just decide it is the best opportunity to hit the reset button and deliver a 6th edition, with the above changes, and more changes that are just enough to be incompatible with the 5e line requiring all new supplements. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 6:46:27 GMT -6
What if I told you all tabletop RPGs are D&D, if D&D stands for "Dice & Decisions"?
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Post by Starbeard on Jun 13, 2022 13:41:54 GMT -6
What if I told you all tabletop RPGs are D&D, if D&D stands for "Dice & Decisions"? Erick Wujcik would like to have a word about Amber Diceless. ;P |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 19:42:53 GMT -6
I’d like to think they’d at least release another Collector’s edition for OD&D.
The one from 2013 sold really well and goes for at least $200-$300 on eBay and the like.
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Post by DungeonDevil on Jun 23, 2022 15:31:55 GMT -6
What fantasy RPGs need is a sweeping reinvigoration by returning to heretofore untapped literary sources for inspiration. It needs to return to being a hobby of the literati instead of a shallow diversion for pop-culture (read: anime, TV, movies, comics and video games) fed hoi polloi. I hereby christen this new idea The New Appendix N Movement.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 15:56:20 GMT -6
Eh, Gary and Dave also liked movies, comics, radio and tv shows, and both enjoyed video games later in life, to some degree. I'd argue all those mediums (anime is really just a different kind of television storytelling) are valid for inspiration to varying degrees, but it's a sad fact that people don't read books the way they used to. I think it's not so much an either/or as a well-rounded inspirational well.
I'm far more troubled by how D&D seems to have lost its personal identity. It feels more like it's pretending to be D&D. Like when a character in your favorite tv show gets recast suddenly and the new guy just doesn't give the same vibe. Or how Frank Herbet's son tried to finish the Dune books but it didn't feel the same at all. I don't expect this new direction to change any time soon. I guess I'm happy for people who are able to enjoy it for what it is, but for me, I'll stick with the "unearthed arcana" of OD&D.
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Post by Finarvyn on Jun 23, 2022 16:39:25 GMT -6
What fantasy RPGs need is a sweeping reinvigoration by returning to heretofore untapped literary sources for inspiration. I would like to see a Renaissance of the older literary works. Go to a random bookstore such as Barnes & Noble and look for Leiber, Howard, Tolkien, Moorcock, Zelazny. Tolkien usually has a decent presence, but the others just don't exist any more. I know that D&D inspiration is different for each person, but a return to the "Sords & Sorcery" vibe would do wonders for a lot of gamers. Other than the DCC RPG, I don't feel like there are any other prominent RPGs that do this stuff. (I know that there are a few clones and such that try to capture the feel of those authors, but I feel like most aren't the kind of game with enough selling power to be on the shelves of most game stores. Others, such as 2d20 Conan, may be there but I think they have a different feel.) ...it's a sad fact that people don't read books the way they used to. I think it's not so much an either/or as a well-rounded inspirational well. I agree. Seems like a lot of folks pull inspiration from movies and comic books rather than literature. For example, one of my players was running a barbarian the other day and wanted to take another character (an elf) and throw him fifteen feet into the air. His defense was that he had a 17 strength. I tried to explain to him that Conan or other super-strongman human would be roughly 18, and to achieve an action such as he described would require something supernatural (e.g. 19 or 20) and this bothered him a lot. I think folks now have a different scale in mind. I'm far more troubled by how D&D seems to have lost its personal identity. It feels more like it's pretending to be D&D. I guess that's what happens when you have a game created several iterations remove from its genesis. We talk about D&D being nearly 50, but also remember that the original creators haven't been in charge for the most recent 30 of those years. No surprise that the current vision doesn't match that of the 1970's or 1980's.  |
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Post by Starbeard on Jun 23, 2022 16:53:26 GMT -6
Eh, Gary and Dave also liked movies, comics, radio and tv shows, and both enjoyed video games later in life, to some degree. I'd argue all those mediums (anime is really just a different kind of television storytelling) are valid for inspiration to varying degrees, but it's a sad fact that people don't read books the way they used to. I think it's not so much an either/or as a well-rounded inspirational well. I'm far more troubled by how D&D seems to have lost its personal identity. It feels more like it's pretending to be D&D. Like when a character in your favorite tv show gets recast suddenly and the new guy just doesn't give the same vibe. Or how Frank Herbet's son tried to finish the Dune books but it didn't feel the same at all. I don't expect this new direction to change any time soon. I guess I'm happy for people who are able to enjoy it for what it is, but for me, I'll stick with the "unearthed arcana" of OD&D. Or the Longhorn books. That's a great analogy, and the list of exemplars is pretty endless. I don't mind the anime and videogame references in spirit. I think the reason Gygax was grumpy about LOTR was really more that he was grumpy about the kooks and posers whose interest in fantasy began and ended with it. Likewise, sure you get a lot of people who just want their D&D to look like Zelda, Final Fantasy and Sword Art Online, but if you're making deep dives into Skies of Arcadia, Chaos World, Lodoss and Hare+Guu for inspiration, then that's just what the old crew were doing with their own niche science fantasy media. |
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Post by DungeonDevil on Jun 23, 2022 17:22:48 GMT -6
I don't like being lumped into the "Old Person is Old" group, but dammit, I guess I am a grumpy old fart! Where's my oatmeal?! Where's my rocking-chair?!
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Post by Starbeard on Jun 23, 2022 17:24:17 GMT -6
Well, that's why I did say I don't mind the practice in spirit. I'm more than a little comfortable in my rocking chair too!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Jun 23, 2022 17:27:18 GMT -6
I hereby christen this new idea The New Appendix N Movement. N++? |
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Post by Starbeard on Jun 23, 2022 17:40:40 GMT -6
NG+!
You know, just to go full circle and make it about videogames anyway.
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Post by jeffb on Jun 23, 2022 19:12:14 GMT -6
I don't like being lumped into the "Old Person is Old" group, but dammit, I guess I am a grumpy old fart! Where's my oatmeal?! Where's my rocking-chair?! Welcome to the Old Curmudgeon club. We've been waiting for you. Grab a a lawnchair, a beer, and get those fists ready for shaking at the sky. Nap time is....well..all the time. |
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Post by tombowings on Jun 23, 2022 23:30:12 GMT -6
Families don't do a great job inculcating their values to their children. If we want our children to be readers, we have to raise them as readers. That means letting them see us enjoying reading and reading to them nightly during early childhood. Monitoring screen time is also a must. There are great YouTube channel where children can learn about science, history, art, music, etc., but simply handing children technology and expecting them to use it properly is a dubious proposition.
Some other ideas I've used to instill a love of reading in my daughter are:
* teaching reading skills early
* visiting science museums (my daughter like books about planets and dinosaurs)
* going camping and getting away from modern conveniences
* reading about the history of a country/state, then visiting there (read about the Roman Empire, then visit Italy)
* attending church or other religious gatherings, reading the bible (or holy holy books) before meals and discussing passages form it during mealtimes
* reading children the book before letting them watch the film
* meditating while listening to audiobooks
* discussing books with children (I also write books as a hobby, and my daughter is always interested in what I'm writing and what's happening in my stories)
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Post by DungeonDevil on Jun 24, 2022 14:04:26 GMT -6
NG+! You know, just to go full circle and make it about videogames anyway. Great. Now I have to market my RPG books with a joystick!?!  |
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Post by Desparil on Jun 24, 2022 23:56:56 GMT -6
NG+! You know, just to go full circle and make it about videogames anyway. Great. Now I have to market my RPG books with a joystick!?!  You're still dating yourself, only really niche games - mostly flight simulators - use joysticks anymore.  |
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Post by machfront on Jun 25, 2022 6:28:32 GMT -6
I only care about the “fire” button….because I’m a rules-lite guy. Sometimes it means shoot, if that’s what matters…if being careful or daring, it means “jump”, or speed up or slow down….but all ya needed was the “fire” button. LOL! 😁
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Post by machfront on Jun 25, 2022 6:35:38 GMT -6
Speaking in the subject at hand: it’s of little doubt something will be done/presented/given out. It’s a big deal (the 50th) so WotC won’t miss it. They could have, prior utilized the anni to just and only promote their new stuff/game….surprisingly, they didn’t….just.
So, we may well get something…. Not beyond our wildest dreams…but at least some great degree of honor given to the birth of it and entire hobby.
I’d expect something like the OD&D re-release prior and more.
Perhaps a new format of such? That may be more work than they are willing to do….but maybe a POD of the 3LBBs as one…or some such.
Maybe B/X will finally be given as PODs….maybe, hopefully Holmes will FINALLY be given it’s official pdf and POD due.
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Post by DungeonDevil on Jun 26, 2022 15:59:20 GMT -6
I would be over-the-moon if they released new PDFs of the core Three AD&D Rulebooks with crystal-clear scans. No bloody OCRing -- just scans.
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Post by tdenmark on Jul 12, 2022 18:10:07 GMT -6
I would be over-the-moon if they released new PDFs of the core Three AD&D Rulebooks with crystal-clear scans. No bloody OCRing -- just scans. I quite like the OCR. Lets me copy and paste. |
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