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Post by calithena on Mar 22, 2022 20:05:32 GMT -6
Hey Fight On! Fans,
There is a serious possibility that we will try to bring Fight On! back, starting with a standalone version of The Darkness Beneath to bring this amazing dungeon to a broader audience, and also to finish it.
If we were to do this what system would people like to see it in?
(a) the generic unspecified "Fight On!" system used in the magazine
(b) Swords & Wizardry
(c) Old School Essentials
(d) something else
Inquiring minds want to know!
Other thoughts and feedback welcome.
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Post by calithena on Mar 22, 2022 20:15:23 GMT -6
I should clarify that just publishing the dungeon for broadly old school rules without specifying a system, like we did in the magazine, is fine with me, and on the dungeon side all these systems are basically compatible anyway. The reason from Ig's point of view to pick a current system would only be to reach a maximum number of current old school players.
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Post by dizzysaxophone on Mar 22, 2022 23:33:50 GMT -6
I'm okay with any of those. Based on other online discussions, it seems as if OSE is the game that is all the rage now, that might attract the most people if marked as "Compatible with (insert game here)"
Awesome to hear about a possible return of fight on!
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Post by dacholaetecoon on Mar 23, 2022 4:06:59 GMT -6
I agree, I think Old School Essentials would get the broadest audience at this moment.
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Post by dukeofchutney on Mar 23, 2022 5:23:35 GMT -6
Awesome. I also have no preference but agree that slapping compatible with OSE on the cover will likely ship more copies.
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Post by calithena on Mar 23, 2022 7:35:23 GMT -6
Well, OK. Looks like the OSE license is super permissive, just slap the designed for use with logo on the back cover and don't make it look like a Necrotic Gnome product, so there you go.
Gabor Lux agrees with you guys that OSE is where it's at right now. I usually run homebrewed OD&D/1e/S&W but it's all good.
Well, OK, maybe latter days 2e isn't that good, but in general I'm fine with most iterations of the One True Game.
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Post by calithena on Mar 23, 2022 8:02:31 GMT -6
Has anyone heard from Mark Allen lately? I'd like to get him involved with the art for this project.
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Post by calithena on Mar 23, 2022 9:50:56 GMT -6
In theory there's no reason you couldn't license it for both OSE and S&W. The S&W third party license is more restrictive and includes the OGL though. Or maybe not, I might need some help here. One reason we didn't do this for FO! is that you don't have to worry about this crap!
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Post by rredmond on Mar 23, 2022 11:03:11 GMT -6
This is amazing news. Wonderful to hear!
Do you have to go full on OSE, or just keep it stats/rules light and just note it's compatibility with OSE?
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Post by calithena on Mar 23, 2022 15:47:44 GMT -6
It seems like there are very few strictures on claiming OSE compatibility, fewer even than S&W (who basically just demand that you give ascending and descending AC for all critters), but I will try to talk to someone who actually knows how this all works as we move forward.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 16:12:40 GMT -6
I dm'd the first 5 levels of DD for my group using Dungeon Crawl Classics. I would be motivated to pick up a copy of DD, wrought with any of the rules suggested above. Also, if FO15 is announced one day, I for one have a dungeon to submit. Fight on, indeed! It is excellent to have this thread active again!  |
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Post by calithena on Mar 23, 2022 21:23:13 GMT -6
We should just offer it in OSE and S&W! It will take very little time to do the separate layouts, and then people get get whichever they prefer!
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Post by rredmond on Mar 24, 2022 4:07:22 GMT -6
True. I’ll DM it with OSRIC, but I think either of those is easy enough to convert. I feel like we are going to see another surge in S&W popularity soon too.
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Post by geoffrey on Mar 24, 2022 9:24:23 GMT -6
Given that these dungeons have an OD&D + supplements vibe to them, I would go with Swords & Wizardry Complete:  |
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Post by calithena on Mar 24, 2022 9:47:33 GMT -6
Totally. Just thinking maybe doing that AND an OSE version would make sense to attract maximal interest to the kickstarter and product.
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Post by calithena on Mar 24, 2022 9:48:01 GMT -6
Plus Bill and I go way back!
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Post by calithena on Mar 24, 2022 9:50:57 GMT -6
I've been known to OSRIC myself occasionally...  |
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Post by ravenheart87 on Mar 25, 2022 12:36:23 GMT -6
I'm okay with either systems. I can convert between OSR systems on the fly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 7:42:30 GMT -6
I vote for
(a) the generic unspecified "Fight On!" system used in the magazine
or
(d) Delving Deeper
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Post by terrex on Mar 30, 2022 8:00:33 GMT -6
I play AD&D and have used levels 1, 2, 3, and 4 of TDB extensively (and a little of 6) in my main campaign play with no issues. So that's proof of contcept the generic works well in practice. OSRIC would probably be the only system that wouldnt complicate things for me as I dont know s&w and have never heard of OSE. Im personally just not interested in new rule systems.
I like TDB pretty much the way it is and would hope the revision cleans up some level connections and offers some enhancements rather than materially changes the existing levels.
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Post by makofan on Mar 30, 2022 8:37:22 GMT -6
I play AD&D and have used levels 1, 2, 3, and 4 of TDB extensively (and a little of 6) in my main campaign play with no issues. So that's proof of contcept the generic works well in practice. OSRIC would probably be the only system that wouldnt complicate things for me as I dont know s&w and have never heard of OSE. Im personally just not interested in new rule systems. I like TDB pretty much the way it is and would hope the revision cleans up some level connections and offers some enhancements rather than materially changes the existing levels. I have followed your postings avidly, always enjoy reading them. For Fungus Forest, there is some errata needed for the caterpillar horror map, and I was thinking of taking out some of the generic treasure and changing it to more thematic treasure, more mold/slime/fungus stuff |
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Post by flailsnail75 on Mar 30, 2022 21:04:02 GMT -6
Please do this. We’ve been waiting YEARS 😊😊
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Post by kesher on Mar 31, 2022 8:12:58 GMT -6
Whoa. Hannukah came early this year! :-)
Sean, SO GREAT to see your calithena face again!
FWIW, I'm having a reaction AGAINST OSE, simply because it's the "new hotness". But that's just my perversity.
I'd go with whatever might get it the most notice.
Fight On!
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Post by rredmond on Mar 31, 2022 8:38:53 GMT -6
FWIW, I'm having a reaction AGAINST OSE, simply because it's the "new hotness". [grog]Nods quietly in agreement.[/grog] |
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Post by calithena on Mar 31, 2022 10:20:37 GMT -6
Yeah, originally I was thinking, let's do OSE and S&W, since those are probably the big two. After son of bear's post though I started thinking, it's compatible with all these games anyway, why not just keep it unspecified, or just claim compatibility with all of them and let people decide if they are OK with that or not. David and I are starting to work on editing already, starting with Alex's Caverns of Slime to get that out to people, so there's time to consider the best approach.
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Post by dukeofchutney on Mar 31, 2022 11:49:03 GMT -6
I think just sticking all the allowable labels on the cover is a good idea, and stat them generically is s good call.
You can always write a conversion guide for Cretins in the appendix or even have a monster manual with multiple format stat lines.
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Post by geoffrey on Mar 31, 2022 11:56:40 GMT -6
a conversion guide for Cretins  |
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Post by rredmond on Mar 31, 2022 12:08:34 GMT -6
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Post by calithena on Mar 31, 2022 18:15:43 GMT -6
"In many of these systems, conversion can be a straightforward matter. For example, a Strength of 13 in Labyrinth Lord is very similar to a Strength of 13 in Old School Essentials, and with only a little ingenuity applied, a Strength score of 13 can also be assigned to such a character when played in Moldvay Basic."
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Post by geoffrey on Mar 31, 2022 21:53:43 GMT -6
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