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Post by Piper on Dec 11, 2020 4:15:23 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 7:05:24 GMT -6
He's back...from the fridge.
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Post by Finarvyn on Dec 11, 2020 7:10:33 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 7:59:02 GMT -6
IMO this movie should be a "passing of the torch", perhaps to Shia Lebouf's character or some new explorer, and Indy should be in full professor/mentor mode here. He's too old to realistically be crusading around.
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Post by jeffb on Dec 11, 2020 8:08:01 GMT -6
No hope and low expectations here.
Disney has destroyed SW, and doing/done the same to Marvel
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Post by tombowings on Dec 11, 2020 8:11:07 GMT -6
Dear god.
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Post by jeffb on Dec 11, 2020 9:01:48 GMT -6
Disney has destroyed SW, and doing/done the same to Marvel I don't know, JeffB, I think Disney+ has done a pretty good job with The Mandalorian. That is one entertaining series. I also really liked Rogue-1 and Solo. YMMV. Disney SW is very polarizing. My 9yo girl already watches enough Disney channel and no way I'm paying them extra for D+, so I have not seen The Mandalorian. No comment on that. But one good TV show at the expense of the entire Original Trilogy is not a good trade-off. I would be very happy if every Disney Star Wars movie never saw the light of day again. They have completely ruined my love for the Star Wars franchise. Barring R1, they did the same for my 21 yo son. He was so excited coming into Disney Star Wars as he could experience SW on the big screen for the first time. It was massive letdown for him, only liking R1. If anything, Disney has caused me to become more tolerant of the prequel trilogy, despite all the massive (MASSIVE) faults. So I have ZERO Hope for Indiana Jones. :nerdrage: I'm hopeful eventually they will screw it up even worse, and sell off Lucasfilm to a crew who actually gets it , instead of the vindictive pregnant dog and bunch of idiots who never really liked or understood SW to begin with that currently are in charge. /nerdrage |
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Post by jeffb on Dec 11, 2020 9:09:01 GMT -6
YMMV. Disney SW is very polarizing. I didn’t know. My apologies. Post deleted. No need to delete a post. If you like Disney SW, good for you. But yes, Disney has been extremely polarizing to the SW fanbase. |
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Post by captainjapan on Dec 11, 2020 11:15:23 GMT -6
Harrison Ford will be 3 years older, in Indy 5, than George Hall was when he played the "old Indy" character in Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Blade Runner, Star Wars, Indiana Jones - Ford is "like a bad penny; he always turns up."
Anyway, I checked out with the aliens. I like James Mangold, though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 11:21:01 GMT -6
I had a negative reaction to the aliens at first, but then I stepped back and examined the entire franchise including Young Indiana Jones and realized there's always been a lot of schlock in the series. I mean, even our beloved movie trilogy had some pretty out-there things. An immortal Templar waiting to die, the actual chalice of Christ restoring people from fatal wounds, the Ark of the Tabernacle actually melting dudes' faces off, to name a few. The whole "ancient aliens" thing is just another form of alt-history and it fits the overall theme.
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Post by jeffb on Dec 11, 2020 11:42:17 GMT -6
I had a negative reaction to the aliens at first, but then I stepped back and examined the entire franchise including Young Indiana Jones and realized there's always been a lot of schlock in the series. I mean, even our beloved movie trilogy had some pretty out-there things. An immortal Templar waiting to die, the actual chalice of Christ restoring people from fatal wounds, the Ark of the Tabernacle actually melting dudes' faces off, to name a few. The whole "ancient aliens" thing is just another form of alt-history and it fits the overall theme. Bingo. IJ is Pulp. Aliens, Robots, Super Science, Mysticism, etc have been part of Pulp since day one. I didn't have an issue there either. |
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Post by Desparil on Dec 11, 2020 13:00:09 GMT -6
I didn't hate Crystal Skull, but I'm never going to re-watch it. The aliens weren't the problem, though. Really my issues were the following:
* Rushed/lacking character interaction between Indy, Marion, and their son as the script rushed them from one action scene to the next with barely any time to talk.
* The nuke scene and Shia LaBoeuf's character swinging vine to vine with the monkeys really broke the mood. It's not necessarily more unbelievable or fantastical than Mola Ram pulling a guy's heart out of his chest or the fight on top of the Nazi tank, but those felt dangerous and dramatic whereas the nuke and the monkeys just felt silly. Other scenes had similar problems, but to a lesser extent.
* As the icing on the cake, the CGI was really quite bad
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Post by jeffb on Dec 11, 2020 13:21:47 GMT -6
I didn't hate Crystal Skull, but I'm never going to re-watch it. The aliens weren't the problem, though. Really my issues were the following: * Rushed/lacking character interaction between Indy, Marion, and their son as the script rushed them from one action scene to the next with barely any time to talk. * The nuke scene and Shia LaBoeuf's character swinging vine to vine with the monkeys really broke the mood. It's not necessarily more unbelievable or fantastical than Mola Ram pulling a guy's heart out of his chest or the fight on top of the Nazi tank, but those felt dangerous and dramatic whereas the nuke and the monkeys just felt silly. Other scenes had similar problems, but to a lesser extent. * As the icing on the cake, the CGI was really quite bad Definitely. Not a fan of the movie overall, just the Aliens were not the issue for me. I think your list covers my complaints as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 13:45:23 GMT -6
I hated Crystal Skull. The father-son angst* and Cate Blanchett channeling Natasha from Bullwinkle are just two of the more off-putting aspects.
I wish they would not make another. The culture that produced and enjoyed pulp adventure are largely dead. I doubt these can be made well anymore.
* Compare Last Crusade, where there was father-son tension/rivalry, but it was often played for laughs. That film understood that it was supposed to be fun. Whereas, the daddy issues in Crystal Skull felt like a script written for The CW.
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Post by Zenopus on Dec 11, 2020 14:17:47 GMT -6
When I rewatched the quadrology a few years ago, I found Temple of Doom and Last Crusade to be worse than I remembered, and Crystal Skull to be the same, or even better. I actually surprised at how little difference in quality I found between movies #2-4. It was a pretty smooth transition when watching. A lot of the "flaws" with Crystal Skull were already there in the previous two. The fridge isn't really any more ridiculous than surviving falling out of a crashing plane in an inflatable raft.
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Post by tombowings on Dec 12, 2020 1:15:53 GMT -6
I hated Crystal Skull. The father-son angst* and Cate Blanchett channeling Natasha from Bullwinkle are just two of the more off-putting aspects. I wish they would not make another. The culture that produced and enjoyed pulp adventure are largely dead. I doubt these can be made well anymore. * Compare Last Crusade, where there was father-son tension/rivalry, but it was often played for laughs. That film understood that it was supposed to be fun. Whereas, the daddy issues in Crystal Skull felt like a script written for The CW. I doubt they're dead. My uncle and his wife are Netflicks scriptwriters. My uncle constantly complains about their lack of creative independence compared to his work as theatrical script write in St. Louis. Everything is decided by committee. He says its hardly worth trying to put his soul into his work anymore when its far easier to hand the producers cliched drivel. |
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Post by flightcommander on Dec 12, 2020 1:31:10 GMT -6
I mean, the fridge was the best part.
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 13, 2020 18:31:25 GMT -6
Indiana Jones needs the James Bond treatment. Cast a new actor and start back in the early 1900's. There are too many great historical events in the early 20th century, and great archaeological mysteries to explore.
And Indiana Jones is too great a character, yes Harrison Ford made him iconic, but there are plenty of talented actors that can do great things with him.
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Post by tdenmark on Dec 13, 2020 18:32:55 GMT -6
I mean, the fridge was the best part. No. There was no best part. The entire movie is irredeemable. Unless you meant that ironically, then I agree. |
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Post by Finarvyn on Dec 14, 2020 11:16:34 GMT -6
IMO this movie should be a "passing of the torch", perhaps to Shia Lebouf's character or some new explorer, and Indy should be in full professor/mentor mode here. He's too old to realistically be crusading around. Um ... I thought that this was sort of the purpose of Crystal Skull, wasn't it? Indy can still be out there but his son would start to do all of the stuntwork and such. I agree with some others that Crystal Skull was sort of lackluster, not in the action but in the personal relationships. (Oh, let's dust Marian off from the first movie. She's still relevant, right?) |
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Post by Falconer on Dec 14, 2020 13:45:10 GMT -6
Here’s how you do it. Start as a cold war spy adventure with Indiana Jones and Daisy Ridley running through underground industrial complexes, disarming laser traps, using gadgets like pen-guns and shoe-phones, getting shot at by guys in suits, and they solve some puzzle and a secret compartment in a metallic wall opens to reveal the MacGuffin. They’re coming, we’re trapped, call Chief. What do we do? Use the device! They use the device and… We hear the Nazi theme from Last Crusade. “The 30s! Nazis! I hate Nazis!”
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Post by jeffb on Dec 14, 2020 17:07:52 GMT -6
Here’s how you do it. Start as a cold war spy adventure with Indiana Jones and Daisy Ridley running through underground industrial complexes, disarming laser traps, using gadgets like pen-guns and shoe-phones, getting shot at by guys in suits, and they solve some puzzle and a secret compartment in a metallic wall opens to reveal the MacGuffin. They’re coming, we’re trapped, call Chief.  |
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