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Post by tdenmark on Oct 12, 2020 14:44:36 GMT -6
While I absolutely love Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings and his portrayal of orcs, they are just fantastic! I still have a special place in my heart for pig-faced orcs as they were portrayed in early D&D.  There was a miniatures manufacturing company Fractured Dimensions that produced some. They are defunct now, sadly, because I would've loved to get some of their minis.  Do you have a preference? Do you think of orcs as corrupted elves? A primitive branch of humans? Descendants of some other species? |
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Oct 12, 2020 15:01:10 GMT -6
In my mind, orcs are just bigger goblins... the entire range of goblinoids are just "goblins" with different stats in my games. But the first time I saw Return Of The Jedi, I thought "Orcs!" when I saw the guards in Jabba's palace  If I could get some 45mm-50mm pig face orc miniatures, I'd repurpose them as Uz for my Runequest miniature gaming... |
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Post by rsdean on Oct 12, 2020 15:13:13 GMT -6
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Post by DungeonDevil on Oct 12, 2020 17:40:08 GMT -6
I raise my tankard and proudly say OINK!
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Post by jeffb on Oct 12, 2020 17:44:04 GMT -6
Have been and always will be Sutherland Orcs in my D&D games.
For me it's the Holmes interior title page.
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Post by sirjaguar on Oct 12, 2020 22:24:19 GMT -6
The D&D boar orcs are my 2nd favorite orc depiction. The orcs in Ralph Bakshi's lotr movie being far and away my favorite and closest to what I imagined when reading Tolkien.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 0:53:48 GMT -6
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Post by tdenmark on Oct 14, 2020 4:48:40 GMT -6
One of the links was broken:  So, kind of a mush-faced pig-faced orc? The other one reminds me of trolls from Trudvang Chronicles, which is rooted in Scandinavian mythology, the source of much of Tolkien's inspiration'  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 5:10:04 GMT -6
One of the links was broken: So, kind of a mush-faced pig-faced orc? The other one reminds me of trolls from Trudvang Chronicles, which is rooted in Scandinavian mythology, the source of much of Tolkien's inspiration' Yep! I like to keep them monstruous, so that I can still put in animal folk like pigmen or boar-savages if I want to. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 6:56:59 GMT -6
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Post by Piper on Oct 14, 2020 7:50:12 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 7:58:42 GMT -6
C'est la vie...  |
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Post by tdenmark on Oct 14, 2020 8:28:20 GMT -6
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Post by jeffb on Oct 14, 2020 8:52:10 GMT -6
I also dig DiTerlizzi's Orcs (and Goblin) in the 2E Monstrous Manual. I feel his versions are more grounded in our world's mythology, instead of modern fantasy fiction or cinema (for the time they were drawn in). Kobold is pretty funny too, little rat bastards. |
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Post by captainjapan on Oct 14, 2020 9:16:33 GMT -6
 Orcs, by any other name |
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Post by captainjapan on Oct 14, 2020 9:51:41 GMT -6
On the other hand,  "...Thence, all evil broods were born - eotenas ond ylfe ond orcneas (trans.: "corpses from Orcus")(?)" Beowulf - Old Norse In this passage, eotenas are ettins are ogres. You can guess what ylfe is. Perhaps orcs are so ugly because their faces are of bloated dead corpses. This is said to be the nominal inspiration for the Tolkien "orc". |
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Post by asaki on Oct 14, 2020 12:15:00 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 12:24:31 GMT -6
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Post by tdenmark on Oct 15, 2020 5:25:03 GMT -6
Interesting, to me that looks like an amalgamation of Gollum from the Hobbit cartoon and a pig-faced orc. And what's not to love about Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings? I know Christopher Tolkien expressed his distaste for it. While I do love them, I have to admit I'd like to see a version that brings Professor Tolkien's middle earth drawings to life realistically rendered the way he envisioned it. Sort of a living fairy tale. |
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Post by retrorob on Oct 15, 2020 6:24:21 GMT -6
First I've read Tolkien (early 90s), then I heard about RPG-orcs (Warhammer and AD&D). For me they were ugly and hideous, but not necessarily with greenskinns or pig-faces.
BTW, goblins and orcs are the same in Tolkien (Azog was the father of Bolg). I don't like Peter Jackson's esthetics.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 13:33:49 GMT -6
I gravitate towards the origins of their name, lately. They're savage and feral tribal people whose tribes are loosely affiliated under the banner of Orcus, the god of death. Neither pig faced nor green skinned in my game. More like the Wendol from 13th Warrior - Neanderthal style Human cousins with elaborate body paint and costumes to make them more bestial, including animal fangs and animal claws. If you manage to kill one and give it a thorough cleaning, there's a man underneath. Or at least something near-Human enough to interbreed.
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Post by tdenmark on Oct 15, 2020 17:32:14 GMT -6
First I've read Tolkien (early 90s), then I heard about RPG-orcs (Warhammer and AD&D). For me they were ugly and hideous, but not necessarily with greenskinns or pig-faces. BTW, goblins and orcs are the same in Tolkien (Azog was the father of Bolg). I don't like Peter Jackson's esthetics. Agreed, the various goblins and orcs come across more as different clans or tribes than as different species. He couldn't anticipate the way people would be parsing his terms for make believe creatures. |
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Post by Malcadon on Oct 15, 2020 18:31:48 GMT -6
While I like my in-game Orcs to be primordial horrors of differing animal-like traits and mutations, I still love the iconic "pigface" Orcs above most other types of Orc.
Also, I made this random cartoon years ago:
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Post by Piper on Oct 16, 2020 8:32:17 GMT -6
Also, I made this random cartoon years ago:
Was that well-known (in the OSR, at least) illo page from the UK Holmes edition the inspiration for the one-eyed goblin on the right? I always liked those guys.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Oct 17, 2020 4:55:45 GMT -6
I kinda like the distinction between pig-faced-orcs and goblins as a "D&D"-ism that stands apart from the Tolkien roots. Although piggy orcs are frequently associated with Advanced D&D, Sutherland's pig-faced orc illustrations appear in S&S (1976) and Holmes (77) prior to the MM. I wonder if there are any earlier examples in zines or letters? Either way, it seems pig-faced orcs predated AD&D in at least one artist's imagination, and his work inspired many D&D fans  |
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Post by Red Baron on Oct 17, 2020 6:25:01 GMT -6
 Heres an orc i doodled in ms paint a few years ago Perhaps he should be holding a bill-guisarme instead of a spear |
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Post by Malcadon on Oct 17, 2020 22:38:17 GMT -6
Also, I made this random cartoon years ago: Was that well-known (in the OSR, at least) illo page from the UK Holmes edition the inspiration for the one-eyed goblin on the right? I always liked those guys.
Yes!  |
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Post by capvideo on Oct 23, 2020 11:12:35 GMT -6
I don’t remember why, but I’ve always assumed that Hodgson’s pig-faced creatures in The House on the Borderland were orcs.
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Post by tdenmark on Oct 29, 2020 10:38:13 GMT -6
I don’t remember why, but I’ve always assumed that Hodgson’s pig-faced creatures in The House on the Borderland were orcs. This one?  |
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Post by capvideo on Oct 30, 2020 9:51:44 GMT -6
I don’t remember why, but I’ve always assumed that Hodgson’s pig-faced creatures in The House on the Borderland were orcs. This one? That’s the story. I’ve never seen that cover art before. |
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If I could get some 45mm-50mm pig face orc miniatures, I'd repurpose them as Uz for my Runequest miniature gaming...
