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Post by tkdco2 on Jun 18, 2019 23:28:11 GMT -6
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Post by tkdco2 on Jun 21, 2019 0:58:41 GMT -6
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Post by geoffrey on Jun 21, 2019 8:29:28 GMT -6
I do not like the soap opera aspects:
Vader is really Luke's father!
And Leia is really Luke's sister!
And C-3PO is really Luke's father's droid from when he was a boy!
And R2-D2 flew fighters with Luke's father!
And Yoda was on a first name basis with Chewie!
And, and, and...
Makes the galaxy seem like a much smaller place.
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Post by Finarvyn on Jul 9, 2019 14:33:50 GMT -6
Agreed, which is part of why "my Star Wars" starts with the original movie and goes off a different direction. I sort of like the way Splinter of the Mind's Eye was going to take the series.
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Post by Malcadon on Jul 12, 2019 16:27:42 GMT -6
I do not like the soap opera aspects: Vader is really Luke's father! And Leia is really Luke's sister! And C-3PO is really Luke's father's droid from when he was a boy! And R2-D2 flew fighters with Luke's father! And Yoda was on a first name basis with Chewie! And, and, and... Makes the galaxy seem like a much smaller place. Or better yet, a Telenovela:  Vader: If only you knew the power of the Dark Side. Obi-Juan never told you what happened to your family. Luke: He told me enough! He told me you destroyed it! Vader: No. I AM your twin brother. Luke: [shocked] No. No. That's not true! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
Vader: [pulls off helmet and mask revealing a stunning Mark Hamill with an eye-patch and pencil-line mustache]Luke: NOOOOOOO!!! NOOOOOOOO!!! |
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Post by tkdco2 on Jul 14, 2019 20:11:50 GMT -6
Leia wasn't originally going to be Luke's sister. But since Lucas nixed the idea of killing off Han Solo, they had to resolve the love triangle somehow.
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Post by thegreyelf on Apr 17, 2020 7:57:09 GMT -6
Leia wasn't originally going to be Luke's sister. But since Lucas nixed the idea of killing off Han Solo, they had to resolve the love triangle somehow. Actually it was more a factor of nixing the originally planned second trilogy that caused it. The Emperor wasn't originally supposed to show up until Episode IX, and Luke's sister was going to show up in Episoce VII to train as a Jedi and be tempted by the Dark Side in episode VIII. When they telescoped the entire story to fit down into Episode IV, they moved the element of Luke's sister onto Leia. |
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Post by asaki on Apr 20, 2020 11:10:04 GMT -6
Of course, I know the internet has a lt of misinformation, so I looked for something to back it up. Here's an article that corroborates with and expands on the video: There are tons of scripts out there on the Net. I've read a few of them, they're pretty interesting...but it's hard to say what is "original backstory", because George was constantly revising. Some names/faces got switched around, like one of the early scripts had the Ewok battle in the first movie, but it was Wookiees instead. So when it came time to make Jedi, they decided to make it a new, smaller furry species.
The very first script starred Annikin Starkiller, and had a lot of prequel trilogy vibes (lots of politics).
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Post by Finarvyn on Apr 21, 2020 6:11:43 GMT -6
A neat book which I's sure has been mentioned before (probably with its own thread) is "The Secret History of Star Wars" by Michael Kaminski. Well researched and footnoted, as I remember. Worth a track-down.
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Post by thegreyelf on Apr 28, 2020 5:50:01 GMT -6
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Post by asaki on Apr 28, 2020 15:00:19 GMT -6
Dark Horse did a graphic novel adaptation of what the original screenplay would've looked like, and used the original MacQuarrie concept art as its visual guide. It's really interesting. Wow, I had no idea this existed.
Too bad they don't offer it free on Prime Reading...they have tons of Star Wars books there. One of these days I'll have to get a comiXology account.
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Post by thegreyelf on Apr 28, 2020 15:14:59 GMT -6
Dark Horse did a graphic novel adaptation of what the original screenplay would've looked like, and used the original MacQuarrie concept art as its visual guide. It's really interesting. Wow, I had no idea this existed. Too bad they don't offer it free on Prime Reading...they have tons of Star Wars books there. One of these days I'll have to get a comiXology account.
Pretty sure Amazon owns ComiXology. |
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Post by verhaden on Apr 28, 2020 18:17:42 GMT -6
This would have been great. Especially with Anakin starting the Rebel Alliance. Vader could have been a close friend of Anakin and Obi Wan, so the betrayal would still have had an impact. |
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Post by asaki on Apr 28, 2020 21:10:53 GMT -6
Pretty sure Amazon owns ComiXology. Yeah, I think so. Amazon has three different ways to get "free" comics: 1. Prime Reads: Just for being a Prime member, you get a lot of free Kindle ebooks and stuff. They made it extremely difficult to browse through, though. IIRC, you can only "borrow" ten books at a time, so I made a private Amazon wishlist to store them all for later. You need the Kindle app to read them, but it works pretty well on my Nook. 2. Kindle Unlimited: Another subscription plan, where the first month is free. Bigger selection than Prime Reads, and easier to find stuff. $10 per month. 3. comiXology: Yet another plan, but focused primarily on comics. $6 per month. Normally I prefer "dead trees", but my collection is getting pretty heavy and expensive...especially for a lot of books that I will probably only read one time. |
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Post by thegreyelf on Apr 29, 2020 4:42:27 GMT -6
Yeah, I have the ComiXology app on my tablet, but I don't pay a subscription fee. I just very occasionally buy individual comics with it. I have a Nook, as I like Barnes & Nobles' service better; I can go to any B&N store (well, not right now I can't, but usually) and just read anything I like for free for an hour per day. My wife has a Kindle Fire, though, and she likes it. In the end, I'm not as bought into the ereader thing. I, like you, prefer dead tree. My Nook goes with me to the beach because it's nice to have a library of a few hundred books handy while I'm on vacation. Other than that, though, it sits at home with a dead battery for most of the year.
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Post by asaki on Apr 29, 2020 16:49:19 GMT -6
I have a Nook, as I like Barnes & Nobles' service better; I can go to any B&N store (well, not right now I can't, but usually) and just read anything I like for free for an hour per day. In the end, I'm not as bought into the ereader thing. I, like you, prefer dead tree. Mine's a Nook HD+ that I got in a cheap eBay lot. The screen's really nice looking, but the touchscreen drives me crazy. I had to soft-mod mine a tiny bit to get Android a little more up-to-date, so I probably don't get the B&N rental features anymore. I do prefer dead trees, or at least e-ink, but the color screen is nice for reading PDFs and stuff...especially comics and RPG stuff. A lot of stuff at DriveThruRPG isn't fit for printing, or is 600 pages, or it's just nice to have a digital copy at the gaming table...it's just a little tricky to try to run an adventure from it, since Android can't really multitask. |
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Post by thegreyelf on Apr 30, 2020 4:39:40 GMT -6
Yeah, my Nook is an e-ink. I have a Samasung Galaxy Tab A for my other media consumption.
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Post by asaki on Apr 30, 2020 12:35:02 GMT -6
I got a Kobo in that lot that's e-ink. I haven't used it much, but I don't read novels as much as I used to. I'm sure it'll come in handy for a lot of public domain stuff, especially for series where my dead tree versions have gaps (like Burroughs). I also just bought a bunch of Forgotten Realms novels B) www.humblebundle.com/books/dungeons-dragons-read-realms-wizards-coast-books |
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Post by tkdco2 on May 3, 2020 18:14:54 GMT -6
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Post by thomden on May 4, 2020 19:41:05 GMT -6
Agreed, which is part of why "my Star Wars" starts with the original movie and goes off a different direction. I sort of like the way Splinter of the Mind's Eye was going to take the series. I read Splinter of the Minds Eye which was THE Star Wars sequel (until the actual sequel) before Empire Strikes Back came out. When I went to see the Star Wars sequel for the first time I was very confused, it was nothing like the book. |
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Post by Piper on May 4, 2020 19:45:48 GMT -6
I read Splinter of the Minds Eye which was THE Star Wars sequel (until the actual sequel) before Empire Strikes Back came out. When I went to see the Star Wars sequel for the first time I was very confused, it was nothing like the book. Agreed. I bought that one hot off the press and was surprised by the difference both in tone and the treatment of Luke and Leia (before they were brother and sister). I was in college at the time. |
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Post by asaki on May 4, 2020 21:38:20 GMT -6
I have that book, but haven't read it yet. ...and then I left it on the floor and it got wet  |
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Post by Falconer on May 7, 2020 15:45:31 GMT -6
What’s going on with your floor, man?
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Post by asaki on May 7, 2020 19:07:38 GMT -6
What’s going on with your floor, man? My bedroom was in a basement at the time, and the hot water tank decided to give up the ghost =)
Either that, or it was the time we had torrential rains for like a week straight, and we suddenly acquired a pond next to the house that seeped through. I can't remember which it was.
It's still readable, it's just...a little swollen...
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Post by thegreyelf on May 28, 2020 12:08:33 GMT -6
I read Splinter of the Minds Eye which was THE Star Wars sequel (until the actual sequel) before Empire Strikes Back came out. When I went to see the Star Wars sequel for the first time I was very confused, it was nothing like the book. Agreed. I bought that one hot off the press and was surprised by the difference both in tone and the treatment of Luke and Leia (before they were brother and sister). I was in college at the time. Fun story: Splinter of the Mind's Eye was written as a "just in case." Lucas wanted a story he could turn into a low-budget sequel quickly if Star Wars didn't do well enough to merit Empire Strikes Back. So he quickly outlined a story idea and turned to Alan Dean Foster (who had ghostwritten the novelization of Star Wars) to turn it into a novel that they could adapt if needed. Splinter was a hit as a novel, but as it turned out, adapting it was unnecessary because Star Wars did historic numbers and Fox was happy to hand over the cash for ESB. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 15:32:56 GMT -6
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So has anyone here ever done any fan fiction "what if" stories or RPG campaigns that use only Star Wars 77' and maybe Splinter of the Mind's Eye and Rebel Mission to Ord Mantell as starting points, then pretending the rest never existed? It seems like an interesting thought experiment.
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Post by Starbeard on Feb 26, 2021 11:17:09 GMT -6
I would really like to do a campaign like that. It would be on Tatooine, with Anchorhead as the safe town. Sandpeople dens, roving jawa towns, desert monsters, secret Imperial bases, ancient ruins and abandoned Jedi temples. Lightsabers everywhere. Then characters could roam off from there to explore other planets once they got bored with Tatooine's possibilities. Basically, the sort of stuff you see in all of the books and Marvel comics pre-ESB.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 11:37:15 GMT -6
I would really like to do a campaign like that. It would be on Tatooine, with Anchorhead as the safe town. Sandpeople dens, roving jawa towns, desert monsters, secret Imperial bases, ancient ruins and abandoned Jedi temples. Lightsabers everywhere. Then characters could roam off from there to explore other planets once they got bored with Tatooine's possibilities. Basically, the sort of stuff you see in all of the books and Marvel comics pre-ESB. In your version of this continuity, what's the overall status of the Empire after Star Wars? If you go by the original movie and its novelization alone, it seems like the Empire had all its eggs in one basket with the Death Star. The novelization implies the Emperor is a puppet for the trade unions and governors and the dissolution of the Imperial Senate transferred all real power to the Grand Moffs. Thrawn was implied to be the defacto "guy" and he's dead along with his super-weapon. Would your Imperials be more like regional remnants under the command of a warlord or still part of a functioning galactic body? |
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Post by geoffrey on Feb 26, 2021 14:21:59 GMT -6
I would really like to do a campaign like that. It would be on Tatooine, with Anchorhead as the safe town. Sandpeople dens, roving jawa towns, desert monsters, secret Imperial bases, ancient ruins and abandoned Jedi temples. Lightsabers everywhere. Then characters could roam off from there to explore other planets once they got bored with Tatooine's possibilities. Basically, the sort of stuff you see in all of the books and Marvel comics pre-ESB. That is totally in the ballpark of what "Star Wars" means to me. (Alien ruins.  ) After I saw Star Wars in the theater (4 times in 1977 as a 7-year-old), my imagination was awash with Star Wars. I owned a grand total of 7 Star Wars toys (6 action figures and a vehicle): Luke Skywalker in his orange X-wing uniform Walrus Man Hammerhead Boba Fett Greedo Snaggletooth Luke's landspeeder With those toys I imagined countless adventures on Tatooine, set shortly after Luke destroyed the Death Star. I considered the first three figures on my list as the good guys, and the last three figures as the bad guys. The adventures were episodic, shallow, violent, and repetitive. Far more Conan than Lord of the Rings. Not too dissimilar from the 1970s Marvel Star Wars comics (which I never read as a child, save for the film adaptations--speaking of which, Jabba is a yellow humanoid, NOT a fat slug!). I might want to abridge the canon even further: the Tatooine scenes of the 1977 Star Wars, plus the yellow humanoid Jabba from the film's comic adaptation, plus the character of Boba Fett (with Jason Wingreen's voice--easily the coolest in SW). That's it. I don't want or need a Death Star or even an Empire. Gangsters and bounty hunters and monsters (such as purple worms!) and local warlords and strange aliens and malfunctioning droids and such are all much cooler. And make sure to realize that Tatooine isn't nothing but a giant desert. Imagine the weird wonders underground, and near the poles, and deep in canyons, etc. You know there's some mutant space dinosaurs there, right? Think in the direction of Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon strips from the 30s and 40s. Tatooine is Luke's Mongo. Space fantasy, not science fiction. Jeff Rients has a couple of posts in the ballpark of what I'm talking about: jrients.blogspot.com/2010/10/episode-i-mad-science-on-tatooine-part.htmljrients.blogspot.com/2010/10/mad-science-on-tatooine-part-2.htmlAs regards Jedi knights and the Force, I'd have that sort of thing be more historic/mythical background. Less is more on this score. And certainly no Force super-powers. What we saw of the Force in the '77 film is plenty. Egads, what a mess of a post! But that's Star Wars as it should be: messy, lived in, personalized, and doesn't make much sense. |
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Post by Zenopus on Feb 26, 2021 14:43:42 GMT -6
That is totally in the ballpark of what "Star Wars" means to me. (Alien ruins. ) After I saw Star Wars in the theater (4 times in 1977 as a 7-year-old), my imagination was awash with Star Wars. I owned a grand total of 7 Star Wars toys (6 action figures and a vehicle): Luke Skywalker in his orange X-wing uniform Walrus Man Hammerhead Boba Fett Greedo Snaggletooth Luke's landspeeder With those toys I imagined countless adventures on Tatooine, set shortly after Luke destroyed the Death Star. I considered the first three figures on my list as the good guys, and the last three figures as the bad guys. That sounds familiar to me: odd74.proboards.com/post/177606/threadI also improvised Luke's X-wing using on from the Star Wars Playdoh Action Set. Amazingly, it fit a Star Wars figure and fit perfectly at the top of the Droid Factory ramp. |
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) After I saw Star Wars in the theater (4 times in 1977 as a 7-year-old), my imagination was awash with Star Wars. I owned a grand total of 7 Star Wars toys (6 action figures and a vehicle):