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Post by mattconfusion on May 16, 2019 9:38:42 GMT -6
Hi! The ol' Totten's Strategos can be retrieved in scans over the web. The beautiful site Grogheads has made an incredible walkthrough tutorial on how the game was supposed to be played, and it was not that easy actually. Lots of interesting concepts and practices there, especially for someone like me - totally stranger to anything like that.
But now the curiosity kicks in: how exactly Wesely simplified / stripped it down to make Strategos N?
And even more interesting: how Strategos A emulated ancient/medieval battle?
The only few details around are a handful of scans on Playing At The World blog or on Secrets of Blackmoor page.
Does anyone have a more detailed idea or memory on how these two versions of Strategos were played?
thanks!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 9:51:05 GMT -6
If you're interested in Strategic N, your best bet is to go to Facebook and find Dave Wesley. He probably knows about the other as well.
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Post by mattconfusion on May 16, 2019 10:56:18 GMT -6
I sent a message to him, I tend to avoid disturbing people I don't personally know on Facebook, but it is a good suggestion. Anyone has other leads?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 4:18:34 GMT -6
Upping this because I think it might be worth a second thought. So, yeah, incomplete scans of this seem to float around the web. There's even some PDFs, and some public domain reprints on Amazon. - But how come this one's not on Gutenberg, or on the Internet Archive? People talk an awful lot about it, for a book that's essentially been a phantom for a good while. |
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Post by Hawklord on Oct 5, 2020 9:42:15 GMT -6
Upping this because I think it might be worth a second thought. So, yeah, incomplete scans of this seem to float around the web. There's even some PDFs, and some public domain reprints on Amazon. - But how come this one's not on Gutenberg, or on the Internet Archive? People talk an awful lot about it, for a book that's essentially been a phantom for a good while. Did you look at Google Books? There are a few scans of the book located there: www.google.com/books/edition/Strategos/06tAAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 |
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Post by captainjapan on Oct 5, 2020 11:41:31 GMT -6
Upping this because I think it might be worth a second thought. So, yeah, incomplete scans of this seem to float around the web. There's even some PDFs, and some public domain reprints on Amazon. - But how come this one's not on Gutenberg, or on the Internet Archive? People talk an awful lot about it, for a book that's essentially been a phantom for a good while. Did you look at Google Books? There are a few scans of the book located there: www.google.com/books/edition/Strategos/06tAAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0Volume I is available in a handful of places; and that has the procedure. Volume II has the tables, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 12:03:50 GMT -6
Also, the scans that are out there are incomplete - some that I saw seemed to include material from both books that apparently was photographed off a library edition, but page numbers were messed up, out of order, etc. So, it seems that nobody so far has cared to do the obvious, simply thing, and simply photograph the book to make it available to a wider public.  |
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Post by thecube on Oct 7, 2020 0:28:02 GMT -6
These pdf copies of Strategos are complete and in order as far as I am aware: Volume 1: Volume 2: |
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Post by captainjapan on Oct 7, 2020 0:44:22 GMT -6
Very nice, thecube! Welcome to the forums. |
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Post by Zenopus on Oct 7, 2020 12:32:51 GMT -6
Thanks thecube! Being published in the 19th century they are clearly in the public domain so no problem posting them here. Here's a nice "let the dice decide"-type quote from page 25 of Vol 2: |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 1:38:59 GMT -6
Generally speaking, I'm not sure how the Google Books thing works in relation to copyright - whether the photos/scans themselves are under copyright - but even if so, in this specific case, where common sense indicates that the titles themselves should be in the public domain, I think more specific claims would be for the copyright holder to allege. A quick Google search didn't net any clarity on the issue; with that, I think we have done our due dilligence.
Otherwise, what Zenopus already pointed out - the point of Strategos seems to be that it was fast, and promoted fast game - simulation - mechanics, as opposed to the librarian/data-collector work that other wargames demanded. How this translated and evolved into other games, in the eighty years between Totten's creation, and Blackmoor, though - ask the experts and historians. |
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Post by aldarron on Mar 12, 2021 9:30:29 GMT -6
Strategos N forms the base rulebook (circa 20 pages) all the other Strategos games (excepting Valley Forge and Don't Give up the Ship) are only a few pages that list troop types and stats relating to the era. So for example, Strategos A is about 6 pages discussing the cost and strength etc. of ancient troops and the various formations along with a slightly tailored Table T.
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