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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 3, 2021 23:15:51 GMT -6
Thanks makofan I'll reach out shortly  |
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Post by kersus on Dec 14, 2021 20:59:17 GMT -6
.I am currently looSo, probably, this is a good time/place for anyone with a solid grounding in the OD&D lore, or a critical eye for spelling, grammar, typesetting, or detail to jump in and volunteer a bit of their time to help me get it done. I'd love to see "something" ready for the 10th anniversary of DD (which is late 2012). We'll see... If you're still looking for any more proofreading, I'd be happy to jump in. |
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Post by waysoftheearth on Oct 5, 2022 1:48:05 GMT -6
waysoftheearth, no not foolish! What percentage of the 3LBBs have you completed in this project? When it is complete it will be the ultimate OD&D reference document in existence. Everyone that has a blog should write about it so that we can get you and it listed in Wikipedia.  Be more valuable than anything else gaming wise in the Wikipedia. Maybe even get a couple of gaming history authors to mention it when they issue an updated printing of relevant books. Once you finish the 3 LBBs, do you have any plans to do the supplements? I decided to answer bear's questions here in order to not derail the other topic more than I already had  First question, re percentages: My 2018 reply to a similar question about percentages is still... broadly true. I don't have an exact percentage. DD5 is arranged in three booklets; Heroes & Magic, Delving & Exploration, and Monsters & Treasures. Of these, H&M is done, D&E is mostly done, and M&T is just getting started. "Done" means it's written and reviewed at least once, but there's work to do in production and final review. What has changed since then is that a bunch more effort has gone into combat, which of course is not strictly part of the 3LBBs so most of it will likely end up as an appendix, a blog post, or similar. Also, I have rebuilt the way annotations are related to the main text to make it easier to maintain. Second question, re supplements: I have not thought too deeply about this, but probably no. The scope of DD is more-or-less up to 1974. Later material is covered extensively by many other fine endeavors, so it seems reasonable for DD to stay within its swimlane. Back-porting selected material from supplements and zines to DD might be a feasible proposition, however; another reason to not over-commit is that I already have an intimidating backlog of unpublished stuff I want to work on first |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 18:21:24 GMT -6
Second question, re supplements: I have not thought too deeply about this, but probably no. The scope of DD is more-or-less up to 1974. Later material is covered extensively by many other fine endeavors, so it seems reasonable for DD to stay within its swimlane. Back-porting selected material from supplements and zines to DD might be a feasible proposition, however; another reason to not over-commit is that I already have an intimidating backlog of unpublished stuff I want to work on first Thanks for the reply waysoftheearth. I think you misunderstood me re the supplements. I was not asking you to incorporate them into DD, but to do a commentary on each supplement with the footnotes and details that you are doing for the first three books. As far as I know no one else has done that, nor does it look like anyone else has demonstrated that they could do it. Even if it is completely a series of blog posts for each volume spread out over years, I would hope you would consider doing it. I have seen several other commentaries on the original three books, but those are just a passing glance compared to what you are doing. Of course to do more than a passing glance one does have to have access to the resources needed to do the detailed footnotes. You have demonstrated that you qualify on all counts. |
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Post by waysoftheearth on Jan 31, 2023 17:14:00 GMT -6
What was that annotated version of OD&D that someone was working on? I pulled this quote over from the edition wars topic to the DD area so I don't derail the other topic. Not sure if you were referring to my annotated DD5 project thomden? It's not exactly an annotated OD&D, but it is a pretty near thing. Anyways. I thought it worthwhile replying to this here in the DD context ... If Wizbro really cared about D&D they'd contact that author and work with him to create a special edition OD&D with cyclopedic annotation and history of everything in the game and publish it as a single-volume edition for the 50th anniversary next year. Hire some artists that do the old school thing really well, like those who work with Goodman Games or do art in the Old School D&D fanzines. Yyyyeah. I suspect Wizbro is unlikely to care that much. They have other plans. That aside, I had been working toward pretty much what you outlined; a fully annotated and illustrated revision of DD for the 50th anniversary. I have put a lot of energy and $ into it. I have some original art from Jim Holloway before he passed, as well as a bunch more from Tim Ide. Thomden, I've reached out to you previously to talk about art for it too. But the whole OGL controversy has really taken the wind out it. To be honest, it isn't clear to me whether or how a project like DD remains viable at this moment in time. Seems like we're near a tipping point that might settle future licensing arrangements for an "irrevocable" OGL 1.0a and SRD 3.5, maybe via CC or a completely new OD&D SRD under ORC, or whatever else. I guess I'm awaiting some clarity on that. In the meanwhile, time is ticking by... so that 2024 target is probably now "at risk". We'll have to see what happens next. |
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Post by tdenmark on Jan 31, 2023 18:54:09 GMT -6
Not sure if you were referring to my annotated DD5 project thomden? It's not exactly an annotated OD&D, but it is a pretty near thing. That aside, I had been working toward pretty much what you outlined; a fully annotated and illustrated revision of DD for the 50th anniversary. I have put a lot of energy and $ into it. I have some original art from Jim Holloway before he passed, as well as a bunch more from Tim Ide. Thomden, I've reached out to you previously to talk about art for it too. Ah, yes, that was it. Let me know how I can help. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 20:49:51 GMT -6
Awesome project!
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Post by Mushgnome on Feb 1, 2023 0:11:43 GMT -6
I wonder if maybe the Annotated version gets a pass due to being a footnoted, scholarly work?  In the meantime, I am enjoying your fine work on the DD Quikstart! It's a fresh and fun way to look at character generation. |
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Post by tdenmark on Feb 1, 2023 23:31:59 GMT -6
I wonder if maybe the Annotated version gets a pass due to being a footnoted, scholarly work? In the meantime, I am enjoying your fine work on the DD Quikstart! It's a fresh and fun way to look at character generation. It looks like there are more footnotes than OD&D text, so it might pass the test. And I don't think Wizbro cares all that much about OD&D anyways. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 0:31:47 GMT -6
Content is either in the text or the footnotes. In writing a book along with length considerations, you have to choose the balance between the two. Good stuff!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Feb 2, 2023 0:32:05 GMT -6
I wonder if maybe the Annotated version gets a pass due to being a footnoted, scholarly work? It looks like there are more footnotes than OD&D text, so it might pass the test. And I don't think Wizbro cares all that much about OD&D anyways. I have given this a fair bit of thought in the past, and again recently. I do believe the annotated version is a reasonably solid case of Fair Use. However, it's more the straight-up, non-annotated version that's a concern---and the annotated version more-or-less requires it as subject matter. I agree Wizbro don't care about OGL micro press in general, and certainly not DD specifically. But they've just shown us it's not impossible they could---in principle, at any arbitrary moment---decide to pressure web hosts, lightning press, and the like, to shut down anything built on earlier SRDs and/or the OGL 1.0. It's essentially a Sword of Damocles scenario. The best solution of all would be for WotC to release the SRD 3.0 or 3.5 (or both) to CC too. Then we wouldn't need to have this discussion at all |
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Post by eldrad on Mar 26, 2023 16:51:22 GMT -6
The footnotes are as good reading as the rules themselves!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Mar 27, 2023 0:52:31 GMT -6
I had hoped the footnotes would be interesting and, perhaps occasionally, a mite bit insightful for some readers. Great to hear when they are enjoyed |
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Post by eldradwolfsbane on Mar 28, 2023 10:30:53 GMT -6
Just keep on doing this for the fun of it!
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Post by eldrad on Sept 24, 2023 10:53:13 GMT -6
KEEP GOING! Don't give up the SHIP! FIGHT ON!
P.S. I have two accounts that somehow sign me on one or another. I could not get on this account for a very long time, so I made the new one, sometimes it signs on this one and sometimes on the other one.
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Post by snorri on Sept 26, 2023 5:04:12 GMT -6
I read the annotated version on a regular basis and would be happy to see the other volumes.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 26, 2023 18:16:22 GMT -6
I read the annotated version on a regular basis and would be happy to see the other volumes. Awesome to hear that someone is actually getting some use out of it That said, folks should be aware that what's out there today is still a draft only... there's still work to do to bring it up to scratch. In terms of DD5 vol2 (Delving & Exploration), I have done a bunch of work on it, including several wholesale rewrites of "an interpretation" of a CM/OD&D combat system (which ultimately will be an appendix anyways). I just need to settle for whatever is today's state of the art, round it all up, and get the next iteration out there. Intravenous caffeination required. |
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Post by rayotus on Sept 26, 2023 18:39:07 GMT -6
I can’t wait. I love Delving Deeper. I have four copies on my shelf just to the left of my elbow at the moment. |
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Post by waysoftheearth on Oct 25, 2023 19:13:11 GMT -6
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Be more valuable than anything else gaming wise in the Wikipedia. Maybe even get a couple of gaming history authors to mention it when they issue an updated printing of relevant books. Once you finish the 3 LBBs, do you have any plans to do the supplements?
