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Post by waysoftheearth on Apr 17, 2018 3:24:39 GMT -6
The possibility of an annotated D&D was raised lately over here. Delving Deeper isn't the original, but it might be a passable substitute in some circumstances... one being if you happen to want an annotated text to look at. So here's a few (early draft) pages from the forthcoming Annotated Delving Deeper V5. As Oakes mentioned in the other thread, it's a question of: How far do you go?   |
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Post by Finarvyn on Apr 17, 2018 3:56:11 GMT -6
Wow. That's a lot of work. The footnotes seem longer than the actual text! :-O
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Post by waysoftheearth on Apr 17, 2018 4:08:02 GMT -6
Tip of the iceberg...
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Post by sixdemonbag on Apr 17, 2018 7:01:52 GMT -6
I love stuff like this waysoftheearth . I've been looking forward to the final annotated manuscript since you mentioned it to me a while back. Prior to the official PDF releases, DD was my favorite retroclone for integrating more Chainmail into the 3lbbs and staying faithful to the original text. FWIW, S&W Whitebox also was a favorite of mine mainly for its simplicity and "pick up and go" nature. |
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Post by geoffrey on Apr 17, 2018 12:44:39 GMT -6
This is awesome.  |
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Post by snorri on Apr 17, 2018 14:10:46 GMT -6
That's wonderful ! Poeple sometime complain I put tooo much notes in my books and articles. But theses are notes !
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Post by oakesspalding on Apr 17, 2018 17:21:03 GMT -6
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Post by waysoftheearth on Apr 17, 2018 21:58:14 GMT -6
There isn’t one.
I had been (vaguely) working toward releasing all three volumes in one hit, but I’m thinking now it might be practical to go one volume at a time. There is still much to do; in the first instance I still have yet to circulate a draft for comment. None the less, it’s coming.
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Post by hamurai on Apr 17, 2018 23:02:56 GMT -6
Wow! That's a lot better than I'd imagined!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Apr 17, 2018 23:56:29 GMT -6
I appreciate your skepticism; nothing is ever going to please everyone.
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Post by derv on Apr 18, 2018 5:03:13 GMT -6
Basically, you will be releasing the scrutinized to scrutiny (:
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Post by dilvish on Apr 20, 2018 10:00:55 GMT -6
Percentage wise, how much of this do you have written?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Apr 20, 2018 18:11:36 GMT -6
Welcome dilvish. I don't have an exact percentage. DD5 is arranged in three booklets; Heroes & Magic, Delving & Exploration, and Monsters & Treasures. Of these, H&M is done, D&E is mostly done, and M&T is just getting started. "Done" means it's written and reviewed at least once, but there's work to do in production and final review. |
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Post by geoffrey on Apr 20, 2018 21:07:12 GMT -6
Welcome dilvish. I don't have an exact percentage. DD5 is arranged in three booklets; Heroes & Magic, Delving & Exploration, and Monsters & Treasures. Of these, H&M is done, D&E is mostly done, and M&T is just getting started. "Done" means it's written and reviewed at least once, but there's work to do in production and final review. That's more than I had imagined. Once again: awesome. |
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Post by flailsnail75 on May 31, 2018 15:06:20 GMT -6
Holy crap. I can’t imagine the amount of time you’ve invested in this.
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Post by owlorbs on Jun 16, 2018 6:06:09 GMT -6
Fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 11:41:51 GMT -6
Wow that's impressive i can't wait to get my hands on a hard copy
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Post by waysoftheearth on Jul 24, 2018 1:56:03 GMT -6
 Download 114 pages and 1,207 footnotes of this action. Free. Here. |
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Post by mgtremaine on Jul 30, 2018 10:58:32 GMT -6
1207... You're clearly mad... Thanks so much!
-Mike
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Post by eldradwolfsbane on Jun 28, 2021 8:19:53 GMT -6
I really hope you don't give up on this Delving Deeper V5 project. What you have written so far is really incredible. Get off your rear and finish this! This is going to be something really awesome when finished! It will be a lifetime accomplishment! Just imagine it in a hardcover or softcover single volume! Are you motivated yet! Go for it! Do it!
I also have about 10-20 unfinished projects that have been on the back burner. Some are getting close to 20 years old. Don't be like me!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Jun 28, 2021 17:54:52 GMT -6
Thanks eldradwolfsbane. DD5 is a massive undertaking. I haven't really stopped working on it, but it has slowed very considerably in the last few years due to "life's priorities". As it happens, in the last few weeks I have been reaching out to a few collaborators to help me kick it along. I am currently looking to set up a working group to assist with reviewing the DD5 material--including the annotations--and some of the broader development decisions. So, probably, this is a good time/place for anyone with a solid grounding in the OD&D lore, or a critical eye for spelling, grammar, typesetting, or detail to jump in and volunteer a bit of their time to help me get it done. I'd love to see "something" ready for the 10th anniversary of DD (which is late 2012). We'll see...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 18:58:52 GMT -6
I'm digging the annotations! Hadn't seen this before. Definitive is definitely a worthy calling!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 11:46:22 GMT -6
Hi!
I'm new to all this, and I'm trying to understand what are the main differences between the annotated version and the non-annotated version. Are the annotations rules clarifications, context about why a rule is made like that, or just general explanations like why dwarfs is the correct spelling instead of dwarves? Also, is there a link to the newest version? I love the work you put in Delving Deeper, keep it up!
Edit: I'd also like to know, what are the V4 and V5 differences? I just don't have the time to read both of them, but I want to use V5 due to it being the newest DD.
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Post by makofan on Jul 23, 2021 8:35:01 GMT -6
I just want to say I have been running DD on the Immersive Ink since 2015. Simon basically thought about all the house rules/interpretations that DMs need to make, and made his own based on deep research. I decided to use his interpretations, and have been quite satisfied with the game set
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Post by waysoftheearth on Jul 23, 2021 18:35:27 GMT -6
Thanks makofan Welcome @buba. DD V5 with/without annotations are exactly the same game. The annotated version just has a bunch of footnotes that explain why everything is how it is, as explained in the foreword. In terms of changes to V5 since V4; V5 includes a "V4 house rules" appendix that captures the main rules differences. So, you could play V5 with all the V4 house rules, and you'd have virtually the same game. I say "virtually" because there are also a bunch of minor/subtle tweaks included in V5 that are too numerous to list, but that's why you get the annotated version. Be aware that V5 is not yet a complete game (it's still a work in progress), but you could certainly play a V5-based game with what's currently available from my fileshare. Enjoy! |
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Post by makofan on Jul 24, 2021 8:06:31 GMT -6
I use ddo.immersiveink.com/ for my games, so at this juncture it is v4. I like the online set as my party and I can access them at any time from any device |
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Post by tdenmark on Jul 24, 2021 8:57:17 GMT -6
I use ddo.immersiveink.com/ for my games, so at this juncture it is v4. I like the online set as my party and I can access them at any time from any device I like the clarity and minimalism of the writing. Simon and Cameron take Strunk & White seriously. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 15:50:55 GMT -6
Thanks makofan Welcome @buba . DD V5 with/without annotations are exactly the same game. The annotated version just has a bunch of footnotes that explain why everything is how it is, as explained in the foreword. In terms of changes to V5 since V4; V5 includes a "V4 house rules" appendix that captures the main rules differences. So, you could play V5 with all the V4 house rules, and you'd have virtually the same game. I say "virtually" because there are also a bunch of minor/subtle tweaks included in V5 that are too numerous to list, but that's why you get the annotated version. Be aware that V5 is not yet a complete game (it's still a work in progress), but you could certainly play a V5-based game with what's currently available from my fileshare. Enjoy! I´ll use V5 annotated then! Thanks, this is so useful, and a great work! |
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Post by vasious on Jul 26, 2021 16:33:20 GMT -6
The snippets in the V5 for possible new takes are tantalizing
The Warlord Fighting Capacity under Fighting Men
Bishops on the Fantasy Combat Table
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Post by makofan on Jul 29, 2021 9:50:09 GMT -6
Thanks eldradwolfsbane. DD5 is a massive undertaking. I haven't really stopped working on it, but it has slowed very considerably in the last few years due to "life's priorities". As it happens, in the last few weeks I have been reaching out to a few collaborators to help me kick it along. I am currently looking to set up a working group to assist with reviewing the DD5 material--including the annotations--and some of the broader development decisions. So, probably, this is a good time/place for anyone with a solid grounding in the OD&D lore, or a critical eye for spelling, grammar, typesetting, or detail to jump in and volunteer a bit of their time to help me get it done. I'd love to see "something" ready for the 10th anniversary of DD (which is late 2012). We'll see... I do have a critical eye, and some solid background |
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