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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 8, 2008 18:56:24 GMT -6
I hope it's worth the wait. The problem with a big buildup is large expectations. I'm hoping that S&W:WB does what everyone is looking to have a rules set do. (crosses fingers)
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Post by Random on Aug 8, 2008 20:11:56 GMT -6
I'm looking for S&W:WB to...
Present the rules in a sane fashion. Provide an OGL reference for publishers.
If it does that then I'll be happy.
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Post by redpriest on Aug 9, 2008 13:32:38 GMT -6
My issue with White Box, is that, it doesn't mean anything to anyone that doesn't already know what it means. You have to already be in-the-know (through age or sites like this one) for White Box to be relevant. So, if the White Box edition is only for old men, it's fine, but I think it might be meaningless if the target audience is The Next Generation.
Of course, it could have meaning if it were sold in a white box, or the cover were made to appear as a white box.
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Post by Random on Aug 9, 2008 13:44:33 GMT -6
I would say definately make the cover of the book white.
It would look nifty as a paperback, although white hardbacks are odd.
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Post by philotomy on Aug 9, 2008 13:47:56 GMT -6
Back in the day, the Holmes rulebook was known as "the blue book." Swords & Wizardry "White Book" seems fitting, in a way.
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Post by mythmere on Aug 9, 2008 14:10:57 GMT -6
My expectation is that the vast majority of people trying it out will be 3e players interested in playing a "one-off" of the original. They'll be directed to it from ENworld. They won't care about the name. If it takes off from there, the name won't matter.
A white border around the art, and a white spine for the book might be a good idea, though.
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Post by Random on Aug 9, 2008 14:39:58 GMT -6
Indeed, but I actually like the idea of making WB stand for White Book rather than White Box, since it won't really be released in a box.
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 13, 2008 21:08:28 GMT -6
Another update -- there were a few snags that popped up; a couple things that I thought were neat varied from the LBB a bit too much and after some discussion I'm in the edit phase again. Nothing really huge, but enough to slow me down a little. I just thought I would post to give people a heads-up on this, and to let you know that it's coming together (just a little slower than I had hoped).
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Post by blackbarn on Aug 24, 2008 11:41:59 GMT -6
I'm really looking forward to this. Is the editing still coming along?
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 24, 2008 20:58:23 GMT -6
Oh, our steering committee spotted some places where I was sloppy and I'm going through another round of edits that I hadn't expected to have to do. And unfortunately, I'm a teacher and school just started again so I've been swamped. Things will smooth over at work shortly and I'll get the bugs fixed and then we're on track again. Sorry about being such a slacker. :-(
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Post by blackbarn on Aug 24, 2008 22:23:51 GMT -6
Perfectly understandable, don't worry about it. It's just nice to hear an update, even if it's to say it's not ready yet.
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 25, 2008 7:13:06 GMT -6
Well, the key is that there are certain expectations and we want to meet those if at all possible. Hurrying the project and turning out an inferior rules set would just be frustrating for all involved....
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Post by Haldo Bramwise on Aug 25, 2008 17:57:02 GMT -6
Wow. A steering committee. I'm beginning to think that S&W:WB will be so cool and complete, BHP will just release adventures instead of basing a rpg on it. Seriously. I really can't wait to see it. Is there a committee member I could bribe?
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Post by Random on Aug 26, 2008 10:23:04 GMT -6
Just asking, but will this be compatible enough with white box that players could use it to create characters (and reference spells) to run with "real" OD&D characters with no glitches/inconsistencies?
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Post by James Maliszewski on Aug 26, 2008 16:51:14 GMT -6
Just asking, but will this be compatible enough with white box that players could use it to create characters (and reference spells) to run with "real" OD&D characters with no glitches/inconsistencies? That's precisely the idea -- and I think Fin is very close to doing it.
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 26, 2008 19:06:38 GMT -6
Of course there have to be minor glitches in order to make this it's own game, but I'm really hoping to be as close as possible.
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 31, 2008 6:32:27 GMT -6
I'm one step closer. :-)
Yesterday, I posted my most recent WB edit to the committee for review. As always, I pretty much think I'm done now but am waiting to see what the others think.
Oh, and it has cover art, too! (I guess that's two steps closer.) If you go to the link in Matt's signature you can see cover art for both the Core and WB rules sets.
I'm thinking that it could be shared in a hurry now (fingers crossed)! Of course, it still needs to go to Layout before it's finalized...
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Post by Random on Aug 31, 2008 8:38:33 GMT -6
Any chance we could see a raw .doc (or .odt, whichever you use) like there is for the core rules?
I'm trying to decided with one I'll want to use (basically, whether I want d6 or d8 monster HD). Also, are you using the saving throw system from the core rules?
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 31, 2008 9:45:28 GMT -6
As I understand it, from a legal perspective we shouldn't share the .doc until it's been checked over.
Yes, the saving throw system is basically the same as in the Core edition. (I may have tweaked a number or two, but it's the same rule overall.)
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Post by Random on Aug 31, 2008 12:45:08 GMT -6
Well keep up the hard work.
This project will be very helpful, since I can't get the OD&D pdfs printing out right.
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Post by Haldo Bramwise on Aug 31, 2008 15:32:43 GMT -6
*Shakes in anticipation*
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Post by Haldo Bramwise on Sept 28, 2008 20:19:48 GMT -6
I've been reading all he OD&D threads my eyes will allow this weekend. I think I finally understand how to DM an OD&D session. I didn't realize how "modern"my gaming style was with skill systems, attribute checks and universal resolution, etc. OD&D makes sense to me now. I think I can use a d6 for most things, but also making sure the players use their brains more than relying upon dice rolls.
*Ready for S&W:WB!!!*
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Post by blackbarn on Oct 9, 2008 15:43:29 GMT -6
Are we there yet?
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Post by Finarvyn on Oct 11, 2008 5:50:56 GMT -6
I'm not entirely certain why this project is in limbo. I think that folks on the job are also busy in the "real world" and that's slowing us down a tad. A file that I had sent to Matt (or thought I had sent) got lost or fogotten, so he thought I was working and I thought he was reading.
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Post by Random on Oct 11, 2008 10:32:22 GMT -6
I'm not entirely certain why this project is in limbo. I think that folks on the job are also busy in the "real world" and that's slowing us down a tad. A file that I had sent to Matt (or thought I had sent) got lost or fogotten, so he thought I was working and I thought he was reading. Perhaps you should verify future file exchanges, like sending a reply email, "Hey, I got the file."
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Post by Haldo Bramwise on Oct 11, 2008 19:05:36 GMT -6
Or just let Random and I read the file.
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Post by Finarvyn on Oct 12, 2008 6:10:30 GMT -6
I'm not entirely certain why this project is in limbo. I think that folks on the job are also busy in the "real world" and that's slowing us down a tad. A file that I had sent to Matt (or thought I had sent) got lost or fogotten, so he thought I was working and I thought he was reading. Perhaps you should verify future file exchanges, like sending a reply email, "Hey, I got the file." We did that the second time.
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Post by mythmere on Oct 24, 2008 19:15:20 GMT -6
Fin, I think we're good to go. Did Philotomy have anything else? If not, who's doing the layout, and let's get it to him. Also, Forvalaka/Hellbender is available to do interior artwork. I was planning on just re-using the artwork from the core book, but if we can get a second set of b/w illustrations I think it might be better to have the books look different inside. Lots of people are going to be getting both books.
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Post by Haldo Bramwise on Oct 24, 2008 20:41:23 GMT -6
Cool.
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Post by Finarvyn on Oct 25, 2008 5:40:19 GMT -6
Fin, I think we're good to go. Did Philotomy have anything else? He had a couple of tweaks, which I’m trying to find time to implement. I thought I would get it done last weekend, but “real life” interrupted and hopefully I’ll get them done this weekend. Who's doing the layout, and let's get it to him. I don’t remember. I thought you had someone in mind…. Also, Forvalaka/Hellbender is available to do interior artwork. I was planning on just re-using the artwork from the core book, but if we can get a second set of b/w illustrations I think it might be better to have the books look different inside. Lots of people are going to be getting both books. We can go either way, artwork wise, but having spent money on the cover I’m not sure my wife will let me pay for interior art as well. Almost there, guys!
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