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Post by ritt on Mar 9, 2016 13:40:45 GMT -6
How about a "Kennerverse" for toys by Kenner that weren't in the movies? For pre-Empire Strikes Back, there's the Kenner Droid Factory (1979). This was the first Star Wars set that I owned, probably because my parents thought it was more educational than the others. I had the Droid Factory as a kid and very fondly remember it. It was a great toy with lots of "Play value". |
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Post by Malcadon on Mar 10, 2016 0:18:07 GMT -6
Very cool. For non-movie stuff, the pre-Empire Kenner toy line also had the Imperial Troop Transport, which also came with its own little illustrated storybook with lots of Kenner toy product placements ( link here, scroll down to 'KENNER TOYS: IMPERIAL TROOP TRANSPORT COMIC'). The storybook has a pretty good description of the vehicle, except for their literal interpretation of the silly 'troops strapped to the outside' thing. Speaking of which, the toy also showed up in the Marvel comics in the Way of the Wookiee and Return to Tatooine issues, obviously used to market the toy's release: It's funny how depictions of the toy slavishly copied it's actual toy appearance, right down to carrying the stormtroopers in those silly buckets on the outside. They even tried explaining it away for continuity (their stormtrooper armor makes it almost impossible to sit, so this is the only way they can board a transport). As a kid I just assumed that the transport 'seats' were just figurative; I mean, every toy line between 75-98 had some themed way of carrying your toys around, and they all looked goofy. I figured that the 'real' transporter would obviously have the stormtroopers on the inside. For what it's worth, the vehicle also has non-Kenner precedence: a conspicuously similar transporter is written into Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and even before that several of the movie's draft scripts featured scenes with 'hover tanks' that were also very close in description (the Endor scenes later rehashed some of that material without hovertanks, and the Naboo scenes rehashed other scenes and kept them). I have seen them more recently in Star Wars Rebels. The funny thing was that the open side compartments, besides holding Stormtroopers and cargo, were also used to transport prisoners in a way that look (comically) like they can easily slip out. The people behind Rebels like to slip in a lot of old, obscure references (mostly Ralph McQuarrie concept art) that only uber-fans would get. I personally believe the production staff put that in as a joke as reference to how strange the design of the Imperial Troop Transport toy was.  (Ezra Bridger is trying to free the prisoners, while trying not to bump into one of those red sound-effect buttons.  ) |
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Post by Falconer on Apr 11, 2016 15:05:13 GMT -6
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“Dangerous to your starfleet, Commander; not to this battle station” —spoken to him
Clearly he is not an Army General.
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Post by Falconer on Jun 14, 2022 14:51:03 GMT -6
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Post by geoffrey on Jun 14, 2022 19:22:44 GMT -6
That's the only real Jabba. That slug thing in Return of the Jedi belongs on the toy store shelf next to the blue elephant. |
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Post by bobjester0e on Jun 15, 2022 15:15:33 GMT -6
My favorite version of Jabba was the unaltered but edited out scene in Star Wars (not A New Hope version) with the large human wearing furs.
But I read Marvel comics Star Wars before I saw the deleted scene, so the Marvel version of Jabba is also great, and a close second in my head-canon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 16:18:09 GMT -6
I'll never forget being a little kid and watching all the movies one by one. I asked my mother (God rest her soul) what a "Hutt" was, and she said "He's an @$$hole." She wasn't wrong.
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Post by jeffb on Jun 15, 2022 16:30:06 GMT -6
I'll never forget being a little kid and watching all the movies one by one. I asked my mother (God rest her soul) what a "Hutt" was, and she said "He's an @$$hole." She wasn't wrong.  |
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Post by jeffb on Jun 15, 2022 16:58:23 GMT -6
Commander [Tagge] (not General Tagge) “Dangerous to your starfleet, Commander; not to this battle station” —spoken to him Clearly he is not an Army General. I realize this is an ancient thread but I rarely have visited this forum so I missed it. All the nomenclature makes sense if you consider everything as "Naval" when it's dealing with starships..a "fleet". i.e. Commanders, Captains, and Admirals- not Generals, Colonels, and Majors. Here is something I always put in my SW games- Veers (from Empire) is a General in the Imperial Marines, as would be the rest of the (storm)troop(er)s on the ground for Hoth (delivered by the Imperial Navy). Of course throughout history Army troops are also delivered to combat zones by the Navy, and per canon the General/Army/Stormtrooper thing fits the implied nod to Germany circa late WWI- WWII. That said, I've used Imperial Marines for many antagonists and my players loved it as it fits well with the Imperial Naval Fleet theme AND for me as GM I have leeway in making them better than stormtroopers with better/different equipment, vehicles, weapons, etc. that they don't know about. I'm not up on EU canon, so maybe there are already Imperial Marines? IDK. But I found it's a great way to introduce a more capable Imperial threat than we generally see in the movies, and it's quite plausible when considering original movie (or even the whole Trilogy) era gaming. |
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Post by geoffrey on Jun 15, 2022 18:09:42 GMT -6
My favorite version of Jabba was the unaltered but edited out scene in Star Wars (not A New Hope version) with the large human wearing furs. But I read Marvel comics Star Wars before I saw the deleted scene, so the Marvel version of Jabba is also great, and a close second in my head-canon. Yeah, I like the Irishman Jabba a lot more than the slug: 1. My favorite: The yellow alien Jabba from the comic. Make Mine Marvel! 2. Declan Mulholland, who I find not as cool as the Marvel alien, but still makes a fine Jabba. 3. That...thing in Return of the Jedi. I think it is ridiculous. |
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Post by Starbeard on Jun 18, 2022 12:47:44 GMT -6
I'm an equal opportunity Jabbist. They all make neat villains in their own way. I also have a shameful soft spot for Jabba's family, from the invention of Zorba the Hutt for the wacky Glove of Darth Vader kids books. Zorba fits in the same headspace as Itchy, Mala and Lumpy — which, by the way, I've sometimes wondered that if Chewbacca becomes "Chewie," then instead of what we ended up with for his family's full names, maybe they are Itchbacca, Malbacca and Lumpbacca? I'm not actually sure when their official "real" names were introduced.
The only thing I place below the three Jabbas is the eventual idea that the entirety of the Hutt race is a syndicate of crime lords. Hutts are best as a title, but acceptable as a species; but in either case Jabba and his kin should be menacing for their own merits, not because any old Hutt slug would do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 13:21:05 GMT -6
I brought this up in another thread already recently, but it also fits here.
The idea that the first movie is an entirely self contained story is a strong trope in and of itself.
We learn in the movie that the Emperor dissolved the Senate because he intended to use his battle station to bully and coerce the Imperial systems.
He basically put all his eggs in one basket and lost the gamble. Since nothing in the first movie indicates the Emperor or any of his agents besides Vader can use the Force, then Luke pretty much struck a fatal blow to the Empire.
Any additional stories or adventures than follow could deal more with how the rebels deal with that power vacuum than what GL went with.
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