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Post by geoffrey on Jan 3, 2015 14:38:44 GMT -6
Gods, Demi-Gods & Heroes includes the following 10 mythoi:
Celtic
Central American
Chinese
Egyptian
Finnish
Greek
Hyborean
Indian
Melnibonean
Norse
Deities & Demigods includes the following 17 mythoi:
American Indian
Arthurian Heroes
Babylonian
Celtic
Central American
Chinese
Cthulhu
Egyptian
Finnish
Greek
Indian
Japanese
Melnibonean
Nehwon
Nonhumans' Deities
Norse
Sumerian
We see that GDG&H has the benefit of the Hyborean mythos, while DDG does not.
DDG has the benefits of the American Indian, Arthurian, Babylonian, Cthulhu, Japanese, Nehwon, Nonhumans' Deities, and Sumerian mythoi, while GDG&H does not.
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Post by tkdco2 on Jan 3, 2015 17:43:07 GMT -6
Later printings of the DDG removed the Cthulhu and Melnibonean mythoi. Michael Moorcock has the latter in his website, AFAIK.
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Post by kenmeister on Jan 6, 2015 10:48:44 GMT -6
Also note that the version of GDDH in the reprint box set does not contain the Hyperborean mythos. Might not have the Melnibonean one either.
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Post by rastusburne on Jan 11, 2015 3:00:38 GMT -6
Yeah, that's correct. The OD&D reprints don't have those mythos. It's a shame. I was looking at that yesterday.
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Post by rastusburne on Jan 11, 2015 3:01:33 GMT -6
Also, I'm feeling ripped off with my copy of legends and lore. Maybe it's time to fork out for an earlier print of D&DG with the cthulhu mythos.
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Post by Finarvyn on Jan 11, 2015 7:00:29 GMT -6
Also, I'm feeling ripped off with my copy of legends and lore. Maybe it's time to fork out for an earlier print of D&DG with the cthulhu mythos. (1) I no longer own a copy of Legends & Lore, but I recall it not having very many mythos' at all inside. Can you list which ones are in the book, just for the sake of completeness? (2) I wouldn't spend top dollar on G,DG&H because I don't use the gods much (it's preobably my least-used supplement), but I don't think it's as expensive as some of the others. Interestingly enough, the parts I do use the most are Melnibone (Elric) and Hyboria (Conan), as well as DD's Nehwon (Fafhrd & Grey Mouser). I use them for the world flavor and not so much for the gods. |
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Post by geoffrey on Jan 11, 2015 9:53:39 GMT -6
I no longer own a copy of Legends & Lore, but I recall it not having very many mythos' at all inside. Can you list which ones are in the book, just for the sake of completeness? The AD&D Legends & Lore book was simply a reprint of the later printings of DDG (i. e., without the Cthulhu and Melnibonean mythoi), but with an orange-spined cover with new art. Here we go:  I think 2nd edition AD&D also had a volume entitled Legends & Lore, but it of course was quite different than Ward and Kuntz's volume. |
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Post by calithena on Jan 11, 2015 10:38:47 GMT -6
The magic items in Gods, Demi-Gods, and Heroes are real eye openers. Magic Rings that add ten levels to your M-U level.
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Post by tetramorph on Jan 12, 2015 14:07:39 GMT -6
There is of course one modern fictional mythos missing, even in the pre-lawsuit threat version. Has anyone around here ever stat-ed out the Middle Earth pantheon? Manwe and all those folks?
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Post by rastusburne on Jan 12, 2015 15:45:18 GMT -6
Also, I'm feeling ripped off with my copy of legends and lore. Maybe it's time to fork out for an earlier print of D&DG with the cthulhu mythos. (1) I no longer own a copy of Legends & Lore, but I recall it not having very many mythos' at all inside. Can you list which ones are in the book, just for the sake of completeness? Pretty much as Geoffrey said, it just omits those two mythos. Although Lankhmar is still in there. |
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Post by Falconer on Jan 12, 2015 20:55:08 GMT -6
The Silmarillion came out in September 1977, a year before Sup. IV, and the same year as the de-hobbit-ized version of OD&D. Just FYI.
The ICE books, of course, statted them out for RM and MERP, but the suggested conversion guidelines never seem to be quite right for D&D. I’ve never felt the need to stat them out, not out of a “they should have story immunity” perspective, just, never thought about it. Hmm…
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Post by Zenopus on Jan 12, 2015 21:37:26 GMT -6
We see that GDG&H has the benefit of the Hyborean mythos, while DDG does not. DDG has the benefits of the American Indian, Arthurian, Babylonian, Cthulhu, Japanese, Nehwon, Nonhumans' Deities, and Sumerian mythoi, while GDG&H does not. D&DG also has the benefit of a wide range of the early TSR bullpen, Otus, Tramp, Sutherland, Roslof, DSL, Darlene plus non-TSRs Jaquays and Eymoth (Ken Rahman). The earlier supplement really suffers from a lack of artwork. Hundreds of fantastic gods and monsters with just a few bits of public domain art. D&DG trivia. When the Cthulhu/Melinibonean mythos were removed, a new full-page piece by Otus was added, depicting the Egyptian judgement of the dead. So if you only have the earlier version you may have not seen this fantastic piece before:  |
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