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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 5, 2023 20:22:47 GMT -6
We are using DDv4, per the printed rules off Amazon. The players mostly want to give DD a whirl to compare/contrast it to S&W Core. We messed around with WB:FMAG, Core, and Complete (and plan to do some major adventures in Complete, as we it view it as a great way to play 1st edition without some of the rule baggage of bringing out 1st or OSRIC. They wished to have a few games that where more purely OD&D, but for me to do OD&D books itself would require me to find a printer willing to print a PDF for me without a fuss and mark it up with notes, but DD is like a fresh arrangement of the rules that is much more understandable for both players, and for poor old me the referee. Thanks for the additional info; great to know that context. I had no idea DDv4 was available on Amazon... which, if true, i'll need to look into. FWIW, the linked image isn't working. However, you can download DDv4 PDFs free from my downloads site, or browse the hypertext version online, or buy a single volume hard copy from Lulu for around $5. Anyways, I'll ponder some technical feedback from the perspective of what might "break". But, as punkrabbit alluded to with point 3, house rules are generally about facilitating how you want your game to be, and no-one else can really tell you that.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 5, 2023 17:13:20 GMT -6
No problemo.
The list of game terms is a more difficult thing to assemble, so it's taking a bit more time. However, the short version is that there's a lot of difference in the combat terminology, particularly if (like DD) you're interested in CM-inspired D&D combat.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 4, 2023 22:07:57 GMT -6
Can't focus on work because you're constantly plotting and planning what will happen next in your campaign....
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 4, 2023 21:31:21 GMT -6
Hi distortedhumor great to hear your group is giving DD a whirl. Great news I'll be happy to provide some technical comments/feedback on your house rules, but first I need to confirm you are using DDv4? Or are you going the WIP v5? Also (side note...) I have recently got a myself a copy of the latest S&W Complete and have been slowly pawing thru it. Ignoring the additional player classes that S&WC includes from GH, BM, and EW, I'd be very interested to know what your group perceives to be the main points of difference that DD brings to the table?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 3, 2023 16:44:03 GMT -6
*cough, cough* interested in playing *cough, cough* If anyone is interested, I'm standing up a playtest over on the immersive ink forum here. I'll be running 8 level 3-4 pre-gens; DD/0e backports of the original AD&D legends (Thanis, Garamon, Wraislin, etc.). Sully, if you're still around, you're in
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 2, 2023 17:42:42 GMT -6
Noice; thanks Jeffb. edit: I edited my post above to actually ask for S&W (rather than OD&D) Doh! But you knew what I meant
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 2, 2023 9:18:12 GMT -6
I'm sure I'll have my own "opinions" on it (which I will be happy to share ) but is there an affordable PDF of this? Can someone please point me to the (state of the art?) currently most going rendition of S&W?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 2, 2023 8:32:35 GMT -6
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 2, 2023 7:27:33 GMT -6
It's only been 12½ years since my first inklings, but it's now a thing... So it's "coming along", by which I mean: should be done in fewer than 12 more years
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 31, 2023 16:43:34 GMT -6
The last one I'm working on is a list of game terms. Hopefully this weekend...
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 29, 2023 16:50:16 GMT -6
Over a decade ago, Nobleknight had a complete set of the AD&D core books in excellent/NM condition, and, stupidly, I didn't get them at the time. I still regret it. I have excess copies of all the AD&D books, in very usable states. I could part with a set if you're still keen.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 26, 2023 18:42:44 GMT -6
Miscellaneous Magic Items... For expediency I've only included the items listed in M&T here. Greyhawk adds another 103 items to this, and the SRDs add many more. Almost all of the original items are covered, albeit half with minor spelling alterations. 5e appears to omit the drums of panic and helm of opposite alignment? The 5e SRD differs from the 3.5e SRD spelling in only a few instances (the cloak of displacement, helm of comprehending lanaguges, and the horn of blasting).
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 26, 2023 17:24:31 GMT -6
Wands, Staves, Rods...
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 26, 2023 0:52:50 GMT -6
Rings...
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 26, 2023 0:52:20 GMT -6
Not sure about scrolls.
OD&D randomises whether scrolls are M-U or cleric, whether a scroll is a protection scroll, a curse, or contains a number of spells. 3.5e has a similar-ish random determination for spell scrolls (as crafted items), but without protection scrolls or curses. It's not immediately clear to me how 5e handles scrolls.
I will leave this place holder.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 26, 2023 0:19:48 GMT -6
Potions...
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 25, 2023 22:43:25 GMT -6
Miscellaneous Weapons... Similar story to swords, above. Edit: I noticed the 3.5e SRD includes a separate list of cursed items, which has a "-2 Sword, Cursed" and a "Spear, Cursed Backbiter". So, slight variations on the D&D spellings.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 25, 2023 5:31:52 GMT -6
Magic Armor and Shields... Similar story to swords, above. Scoring the two for one "Armor and Shield" combination is unique to D&D
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 25, 2023 4:32:33 GMT -6
Magic swords... This comparison is, perhaps, a bit deceptive. Whereas OD&D and GH have each of the above weapons listed explicitly, the 3.5e SRD instead provide generative tables that enable one to plausibly generate a sword +1, sword +2, and a ba-gillion (I didn't count them all) other combinations of magical sword or other weapons. The 5e SRD has "generic" +1 thru +3 magic "weapons", a select list of specific, named magic weapons, plus a list of several hundred third-party published magic items (e.g., a 5e "Holy Weapon" by Monte Cook). I have marked the generic +1 thru +5 "weapon" entries of the SRDs as common to OD&D's and GH's +1 thru +5 swords. I have excluded all the additional swords from the SRDs above, since they don't align to D&D equivalents.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 21, 2023 2:01:47 GMT -6
You did that for all monsters? That would be epic. You should share Some minor amendments to consider for the OD&D column: . M&M p9 has orcs in the Neutrality and Chaos columns. . I'm not sure the attacks and damage stats apply for all OD&D... perhaps these stats are for GH-OD&D and beyond, but CM-OD&D (and hence Delving Deeper) would have "FC" stats for normal and fantastic combat instead I can't recall off the top of my head if the save stat appears for monsters in the 3LBBs. I'm pretty there is one in MTA, but that was a bit later, so that one might be a back-port?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 5:09:57 GMT -6
Aside from the "known" WotC IP and a handful of variant spellings, the most notable difference in the monster list is that most of D&D's "Men" monster types are missing from the SRDs. The 5e SRD does include Cultists, however; a useful addition.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 4:59:23 GMT -6
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 4:59:08 GMT -6
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 4:58:30 GMT -6
Monsters. There are around 360 monsters in my Official OD&D Monsters List spreadsheet. The SRDs also contain lots more. To keep this table to a manageable length, I've only included the monsters appearing in M&T and GH...
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 1:41:48 GMT -6
Alignment (Division)...
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 1:29:11 GMT -6
Onward to the player types...
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 0:49:32 GMT -6
Ignoring the spell level changes, 48 of OD&D's 136 spell names (or just over one-third) don't appear exactly in either the 3.5e or the 5e SRDs. Albeit many have near-ish substitutes. I might just be missing where some of these are hidden in other spells or abilities, but it also appears the 5e SRD is missing equivalents of OD&D's Hold Portal, Read Magic, Ventriloquism, Pyrotechnics, Invisibility 10ft radius, Protection from Normal Missiles, Charm Monster, Extension, Massmorph, Transmute Rock to Mud, Wall of Iron, Invisible Stalker, and Turn Sticks to Snakes spells. Happy to be schooled otherwise by anyone who knows where these may have landed
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 0:39:04 GMT -6
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 0:38:22 GMT -6
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Post by waysoftheearth on Aug 20, 2023 0:37:07 GMT -6
Let's start with the spell lists.
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