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Post by captainjapan on Sept 14, 2020 7:29:55 GMT -6
Could it be true?! Is HeroQuest getting a reprint? I spent many fun nights, playing d&d-lite, with my school chums. I hope it does make a comeback. The last one I saw on ebay was near $200. woof! However, I thought this was a GW game, not Avalon Hill. See link, above.
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Post by Vile Traveller on Sept 14, 2020 7:49:54 GMT -6
That's interesting, I thought Chaosium had the rights to the name after it lapsed.
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 14, 2020 9:41:38 GMT -6
I have great memories of HeroQuest. My kids learned strategy and team building and role playing through the game. They learned that either the entire party wins or loses, and we never talked about one player winning or losing. They learned to take turns, and to think about if there were advantages to certain characters going first or going last. They learned that when they earned loot to look to see if the party funding a particular character for better weapons or armor or whatever might make the whole party stronger. Very team oriented. Mechanically, I love the simple way to resolve actions with the funky skull dice. Easy to teach, simple to play. I also still have a box of the minis and use them in many of my current D&D games. The map is pretty neat as well, since it could be changed each game, and I used to use it for quick random-dungeon play. Good news indeed!
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Post by tdenmark on Sept 14, 2020 10:51:59 GMT -6
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Post by jeffb on Sept 14, 2020 14:07:35 GMT -6
Disappointed- I thought you were talking about THIS
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 14, 2020 14:49:57 GMT -6
Two threads on this, by the way. The other one is in the "Wargames and Miniatures" section. One of the Admin team will probably merge the two soon.
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Post by Desparil on Sept 14, 2020 14:54:37 GMT -6
THE BEST THING ABOUT HEROQUEST IS THE GARGOYLE!
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Post by captainjapan on Sept 14, 2020 15:59:03 GMT -6
the best thing about HeroQuest is the br-o-h-dd s-o-h-dd.
I haven't played this in so long. Was it really roll-to-move?
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Post by Desparil on Sept 14, 2020 17:44:41 GMT -6
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Post by asaki on Sept 14, 2020 21:18:11 GMT -6
However, I thought this was a GW game, not Avalon Hill. See link, above. Someone found me this link: thewertzone.blogspot.com/2020/09/hasbro-resurrects-classic-hero-quest.htmlNot a ton of info there, but there's this little nugget: "They don't have the rights to use any of the Games Workshop-specific creatures or factions, so don't expect to see Fimirs or Chaos Warriors in the new game..."
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Post by Desparil on Sept 14, 2020 21:34:12 GMT -6
However, I thought this was a GW game, not Avalon Hill. See link, above. Someone found me this link: thewertzone.blogspot.com/2020/09/hasbro-resurrects-classic-hero-quest.htmlNot a ton of info there, but there's this little nugget: "They don't have the rights to use any of the Games Workshop-specific creatures or factions, so don't expect to see Fimirs or Chaos Warriors in the new game..." True, but all they have to do for the Chaos warrior is call it an "evil warrior" instead and change the artwork a little bit to differentiate it from GW's stuff. But as long as they don't use the GW symbol of Chaos or anything blatant like that, it's not as though you can hold "armored warrior with axe and horned helmet" as intellectual property, or else Frazetta could have sued them back in the '80s for ripping the Chaos warrior look off from Death Dealer. Similar for the fimir, they probably just need to change the name and also alter it to either a generic cyclops or a generic lizard man, rather than a cyclopean lizard man.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 23:47:13 GMT -6
I've shared these news with some of my mates. Not since Germany won the soccer world cup in 2014 have I seen a similarly emotional reaction from folks.
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Post by Malcadon on Sept 15, 2020 0:40:14 GMT -6
There was much talk on the HeroQuest forum, Ye Olde Inn, about the trademark filling by Restoration Games, LLC with " Heroquest Legacy." Restoration Games is a game company trying to reboot and expand upon old '70s and '80s boardgames, like Fireball Island, Downforce (formally 'Top Race'), Conspiracy, Stop Thief!, Indulgence (Coup d’État and Dragonmaster) and... RETURN TO DARK TOWER!! The game is still under development, but I'm sooo stoked about it! (Although, all that superfluous boardgame DLC might be a deal-baker.) As a big HeroQuest fan, I sould be stoked about a HQ reboot, but I'm not. I have seen a lot of over-priced, and progressively lackluster wannabe titles over the years (Dragon Strike, Advanced HeroQuest, Warhammer Quest, Warhammer Quest again, and so on), but none ever had the look and feel of the classic for me (I love the look of the old game board, the art of Gary Chalk, and the Combat Dice). And looking at that vary 5e-looking Chaos Warlock, I KNOW I'm going to hate the new art.
Also, with a 3D printer, I have been printing-out my own HQ miniatures, 3D furniture and other gaming props (on top of all the other stuff I added to my old set over the years).
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Post by Desparil on Sept 15, 2020 1:23:39 GMT -6
And looking at that vary 5e-looking Chaos Warlock, I KNOW I'm going to hate the new art. Maybe if you mean Warhammer 5E. Assuming when you say Chaos Warlock, you mean the liche posted by thomden in the OP and used as the promo art on the countdown page, he looks like he'd fit in pretty well with my 4E Undead (pre-VC/TK division) and 5E Vampire Counts books from the '90s. Not exactly the same, you can tell it's CG rather than painted in the blown-up version due to lack of the little asymmetries that are inevitable in a hand-painted piece, though it's less obvious in the small one on the countdown page; but still a relatively simple design, not with the excessive detail that plagues a lot of art from 2000 and beyond.
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Post by tdenmark on Sept 15, 2020 8:27:28 GMT -6
They will make the art look like contemporary dark fantasy art. The stuff we see all over Artstation.com and CMON boardgames and so on. While I'm a grognard about many things, I acknowledge fantasy art has come a long ways and is really pretty amazing right now.
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Post by jeffb on Sept 15, 2020 9:27:15 GMT -6
I acknowledge fantasy art has come a long ways and is really pretty amazing right now. I'm not sure it has come a long ways. Frazetta, Vallejo, Angus McBride- they were doing amazing art before D&D was a thing. I do believe there are a larger # of talented people working in the industry now than "BITD" for gaming, but I don't feel quality/talent has had any new benchmarks hit or bars that have been raised. Stylistically is a whole 'nother kettle of fish- and I definitely can't agree there. Again, there may be more talent, but like the games themselves, I see alot of "same-y-ness" in modern fantasy.
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 15, 2020 10:54:02 GMT -6
I think that Thomden's point was that in RPG books the artwork has evolved from simple line art to really impressive color plates. Jeffb's point about fantasy book cover artwork is also spot on. Fantasy artwork today in general can't touch Frazetta for quality and sheer awesomeness. That's why I would love to see old-school rules married to Frazetta artwork. Not just in some fan rules set, but marketed for real by a big-time RPG company.
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Post by jeffb on Sept 15, 2020 11:20:48 GMT -6
I think that Thomden's point was that in RPG books the artwork has evolved from simple line art to really impressive color plates. I'm not sure I would agree that means the art has come a long way though, Fin Are RPG books full of color art, and people with more technical skill on average than RPG books in 1976? Absolutely. Is better overall talent in the RPG artist pool, digital artistry, and more color art in game books, a better thing? Big Nope from me. Are the fantasy artists of today better talents than early fantasy artists? Always debatable, but another Big Nope, AFAIC. I don't see anyone who is "best in class" of today that has set the bar higher than the best in class of yesteryear.
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Post by asaki on Sept 15, 2020 13:37:06 GMT -6
Yes, I know. How do you even pronounce "fimir" anyway?
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Post by tdenmark on Sept 15, 2020 14:55:33 GMT -6
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 15, 2020 15:50:38 GMT -6
I think that Thomden's point was that in RPG books the artwork has evolved from simple line art to really impressive color plates. I'm not sure I would agree that means the art has come a long way though, Fin I didn't say I liked it better, I said that the art was better.
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Post by captainjapan on Sept 15, 2020 16:14:15 GMT -6
I was definitely psyched to see the Jacobson covers for 5e core. Are these all digital artists?
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Post by jeffb on Sept 15, 2020 16:19:41 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong- the gap has narrowed considerably from quality low to quality high. The overall quality of artists IMO has gone up because the amount of visual presence in Fantasy (and Sci-Fi and Sci Fantasy and Horror) has increased several orders of magnitude from OD&D's heyday of the early to mid 1970s. Certainly someone can do an amazing "realistic" Beholder.- They've had thousands of images to look at and re-interpret and practice doing. BUT- I'd rather look at the one on the cover of Supp 1: Because that is the first amateur interpretation of what was in the mind's eye of a young Terry Kuntz. Dave Sutherland is another example- he gave future artists the blueprint for D&D and Tekumel. It's like playing guitar- Its easy to learn what other people play-even "Gods" like Hendrix, Page, Rhoads, Van Halen, Segovia, Joe Pass, etc (insert your favorite famous guitarist here) once your technique is up to snuff. But its far more difficult to create from an idea in your head...."from scratch". While the new books may be pretty and colorful (and way more expensive because of it)- I'm just not in the camp of this is "better". The type of art in the first post (EDIT-now changed because of the thread merge) is a dime a dozen these days. I've seen stuff of that calibre on the free toys and comics in my Kids' Happy Meals. And I don't mean to de-rail the thread any further. So I'll put a sock in it FWIW- I really enjoy YOUR art, TD- I've seen it in Guardians and WotRP (did you also do mechanized men of mars?). Finarvyn OK Fin. Understood.
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Post by tdenmark on Sept 15, 2020 21:14:29 GMT -6
I was definitely psyched to see the Jacobson covers for 5e core. Are these all digital artists? 3 of them are exclusively digital, AFAIK. The other 3 do both.
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Post by tdenmark on Sept 15, 2020 22:06:56 GMT -6
The overall quality of artists IMO has gone up because the amount of visual presence in Fantasy It's like playing guitar- Its easy to learn what other people play-even "Gods" like Hendrix, Page, Rhoads, Van Halen, Segovia, Joe Pass, etc (insert your favorite famous guitarist here) once your technique is up to snuff. But its far more difficult to create from an idea in your head...."from scratch". FWIW- I really enjoy YOUR art, TD- I've seen it in Guardians and WotRP (did you also do mechanized men of mars?). I went to art school in the 90's and there was still a real stigma against doing fantasy or sci-fi art, like it was the gutter of the illustration field. Fast forward to today where they have classes aimed at teaching students how to make Magic the Gathering card art. At my alma mater the walls are now covered with amazing fantasy and sci-fi art for film and games. The old guard teachers who cling to The New Yorker as the height of illustration are fading. So what we have are the cream of the crop illustrators, amazingly talented and skilled artists who would have gone into traditional fields are now specializing in the fantastic. Hendix, Page, Rhoads, Van Halen...indeed "Gods". Randy Rhoads is my all time fave. His tragic short end still makes me sad. FWIW- I really enjoy YOUR art, TD- I've seen it in Guardians and WotRP (did you also do mechanized men of mars?). I like a lot of the WotRP art I did, but felt that Guardians fell short of my potential - though I'm very proud of the system. I have a new edition with the best art I've ever done slowly developing, and I worked with a comic book writer to create a universe of heroes and villains that is well into development. It is super cool and I can't wait to start showing it off after A Princess of Mars adventure is done. On Mechanized Men of Mars I was a bit experimental with the art style.
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Post by tdenmark on Sept 15, 2020 23:37:59 GMT -6
Are the fantasy artists of today better talents than early fantasy artists? Always debatable, but another Big Nope, AFAIC. I don't see anyone who is "best in class" of today that has set the bar higher than the best in class of yesteryear. Have you considered Paul Bonner? He's every bit as good as any yesteryear fantasy artist (short of Frazetta of course). Chris Rahn went to the same school I did (albeit much later). I recognize the influence of some of the same teachers I had, but he learned more than me. conceptartworld.com/artists/christopher-rahn/The more I think about this a flood of artists come to mind, so I'll just stop here. I have great nostalgia for old D&D art. Old Savage Sword of Conan covers and interiors. But I have to admit they pale compared to what artists are doing today. I mean just look at Justin Sweet's work, about as close to Frazetta as an artist can get yet still have his own unique 'voice'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 1:42:12 GMT -6
I've always wondered what has kept HQ from coming back, given that the game is such a cult classic, and that Games Workshop is a stock-traded media company, and those generally very much depend on what their customers demand. So, my estimation is that his might not have been a creative decision, even in favor of Warhammer Quest, and all, but maybe - a production issue? Was the game too expensive to produce at a reasonable price?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 1:48:13 GMT -6
Merged the thread from GD with this one. Hope it doesn't read all too confusing now...
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 16, 2020 6:47:59 GMT -6
Actually, I'm more curious as to how thomden was able to post an image. I thought that function had been disabled.
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Post by Desparil on Sept 16, 2020 6:52:20 GMT -6
Actually, I'm more curious as to how thomden was able to post an image. I thought that function had been disabled. Apparently not - captainjapan posted an image as well, and before the thread merge there was even a third one (can't recall who posted it) that doesn't seem to be here anymore.
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