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Post by rossik on Feb 20, 2014 17:27:42 GMT -6
Just asked at Facebook, but i think this is the ritgh place!
1- So, elves were immune to ghoul paralyzis because of a chainmail rule adjustment. Only ghouls had paralysis? Elves were immune to all paralysis, or just the ghoul one?
2-also: "undead" were less expensive than elvish armies, or just ghouls? i gess a vampire would cost more than a elf.
i just looked at my copy of Chainmail, and i cant find the info about elves being immune to paralysis. Maybe the situation came in Chainmail, but the oficial change was made in D&D?
thanks
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Post by Red Baron on Feb 20, 2014 19:19:31 GMT -6
Wraiths and Wights also cause paralysis.
This paralysis is caused by the extreme fear that the undead inspire in mortal men. While some monsters like dragons and superheroes will make men rout for fear of being killed, troops facing the undead literally stand there in unbelieving shock and horror upon witnessing such unnatural sights. Elves are too courageous and noble to be affected by such sanity-damaging sights as the walking dead. (Think of Legolas nonchalantly entering the Halls of the Dead, while Gimli stands quivering in his boots). Furthermore, as elves can be restored to neither life or unlife after they have died, they have no fear of becoming "one of those awful things" if they are killed.
Any paralysis caused by some form of poison or gas or weird slime from OD&D would, of course, still work on them, but no such things exist in Chainmail.
You're right that the rule isn't stated in Chainmail, but Elves are fantastic troops, all of which are I believe immune to paralysis. As a rule of thumb, I'd say normal troops and fantastic troops worth 2.5 points or less are affected, and I might give heavy horse some type of saving throw or morale check to see if they can keep their composure.
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Post by sepulchre on Feb 20, 2014 23:14:34 GMT -6
redbaron wrote:
I was never able to imagine why one type monster left you fleeing in panic and another left you frozen in your tracks. I had included both as options along with insanity for a Homebrewed a fear/morale failure table, but your explanation really sheds light on how fear might take shape with respect to undead and other monsters. Moreover, though I had intuited your sense of elves, I had not put all of that together. Well-thought out and nicely stated.
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Post by rossik on Feb 21, 2014 5:52:00 GMT -6
thanks! the question was made more for research purposes. i had this information that the immunity was a Chainmail stuff, but could find it just in OD&D. redbaron say that all fantastic creatures are immune to paralysis, right?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Feb 21, 2014 7:15:36 GMT -6
Furthermore, as elves can be restored to neither life or unlife after they have died, they have no fear of becoming "one of those awful things" if they are killed. How so? Elves are explicitly mentioned by the raise dead spell: And also: If you consider Elves to be among "man-types", then any Elf killed by a Ghoul would apparently become one. You're right that the rule isn't stated in Chainmail, but Elves are fantastic troops, all of which are I believe immune to paralysis. I think the rule you're after is implied by Chainmail with this: Firstly, elves appear in the fantasy supplement so are not subject to wraith paralysis (and--one might presume--wight/ghoul paralysis is subject to the same restriction). Secondly, CM-elves can remove paralysis in normal men so one might presume them to immediately remove it in themselves and therefore be immune to it. FWIW, I don't think elves really are fantastic troops. They can fight on the FCT only if they possess a magic sword. It's the magic-sword that is fantastic, but generally--without these rare weapons--elves are just normal. M&T adds something on this: "any normal figure they touch, excluding Elves." If Elves were not normal they needn't be mentioned here at all.
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Post by sepulchre on Feb 21, 2014 10:23:48 GMT -6
Waysoftheearth, I think redbaron was thinking of this: I may be mistaken, but in AD&D barring a resurrection spell, elves may only be reincarnated.
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