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Post by machfront on Sept 14, 2012 0:39:41 GMT -6
Just so's I'm clear...
Now that the pre-order pdfs are out and the boxed sets are next up, I'm again wondering and confused about what comes next. Near as I've been able to piece together over the last few months:
1. PDFs. 2. (or 1b?) Free PDFs (no illustrations). 3. Lulu soft and hard covers in 6x9 format. 4. 8.5x11" format with more illustrations and extra material to make it more beginner friendly and more Holmes-like. (Lulu?)
Do I have that right?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 14, 2012 1:47:04 GMT -6
I can't answer definitively Machfront, but as far as I'm aware, this much is true:
1) Prepress PDFs sent to pre-order customers (via BHP) --> done, 2) Hard copy boxed sets ship to pre-order customers (via BHP), 3) Free, no-art, PDFs become available to all (via Immersive Ink),
From that point, I'll be working toward supplementary materials for DD under the Immersive Ink label.
John has mentioned that he'll be working on a more Holmes-ish version of DD, but I don't know the exact details so I'll leave it for John to explain that one.
Others are most welcome to create DD supplements too, of course, and I'm going to attempt to maintain an online registry of all the DD goodies that come to light... only time will tell how practical that effort will be!
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Post by Haldo Bramwise on Sept 14, 2012 8:51:44 GMT -6
Hey Mach,
I know I have been up-and down on this in the last year-and-a-half and any sane person should be confused.
Free, no-art PDFs (these have been sent out to all DD pre-orders and will be updated and available from Simon's Immersive Ink when he is ready).
I changed my mind over the weekend and the illustrated booklets are back in the Boxed Set. These illustrated booklets will also form the interior of the 6x9 hard and soft cover version of Delving Deeper.
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Post by alcyone on Sept 14, 2012 9:39:05 GMT -6
John,
What are the current boxed set contents? Are they the same as are detailed on the order page?
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Post by Falconer on Sept 14, 2012 15:16:51 GMT -6
Is there still going to be an Alchemical Synergy booklet included in Delving Deeper? ( link) ( link) I don’t really care if the answer is “no” — especially if that means we don’t have to put up with Ascending AC in the monster book. Are the booklets going to be saddle stitched or perfect bound? The answer has changed so many times. Also, when did it change from 5 volumes to 3 volumes? What is the title of Volume 3? What are the modules that come with it? Are they bound together or separately? Is Perilous Mazes still free for those who pre-ordered Delving Deeper?ADDED: Will the boxed set NOT include art?? Are you making or losing money on these? I donated extra money to another project to help it break even, so let me know.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 14, 2012 16:54:22 GMT -6
Also, when did it change from 5 volumes to 3 volumes? What is the title of Volume 3? I can answer that part That happened after I joined the project, and was largely (I believe) due to my own preference for DD to be a three volume, rather than five volume, set. The titles of DD's three volumes are: Vol I: The Adventurer's Handbook Vol II: The Referee's Guide Vol III: The Monster & Treasure Reference
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Post by Haldo Bramwise on Sept 14, 2012 18:22:33 GMT -6
The booklets are saddle-stitched. Yes, we changed from 5 booklets to 3 after Simon came on board. The boxed set comes with 3 modules - my "Ruins of Ramat," and Jimm Johnson's "Vile Worm of the Eldritch Oak" and the never-been-released before "The Treacherous Cobtraps of the Tamarack Weald." They are separate, digest modules in the box. See here for more details: odd74.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=delvingdeeper&action=display&thread=7817
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Post by Falconer on Sept 14, 2012 19:08:48 GMT -6
none of the digest booklets have any art other than the cover Man, I won’t lie, that is a major disappointment. I bought this set for the art, period.
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Post by talysman on Sept 14, 2012 20:14:54 GMT -6
none of the digest booklets have any art other than the cover Man, I won’t lie, that is a major disappointment. I bought this set for the art, period. Look at it this way: you'll still get the art. It won't be in the digest-sized booklets, though.
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Post by Ronin84 on Sept 14, 2012 20:36:16 GMT -6
Ok...
So we are essentially buying the boxed sets and getting the same thing that was offered through the free no art PDF's?
I understand that we are getting some more material initially and some time down the road we are supposed to get the Perilous Maze edition with art?
I am not complaining just trying to understand what exactly I purchased and when I will be receiving it.
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Post by machfront on Sept 14, 2012 21:21:50 GMT -6
Thanks for clearing things up, guys.
But, yeah....weird and unfortunate that the art won't be in the booklets (nor the 6x9 Lulu books if they come out). Especially since, as noted by Ronin84 above, those who simply download the free pdfs will have the very same thing. Odd.
No art, then little point in hoping for the 6x9 Lulu books. I guess it's pretty much only DD Perilous Mazes book for me, then (as I've no interest in a boxed set and I can print my own booklets...since the free pdfs will grant me the very same thing as those who have ordered a box set will have).
Don't mean to be a downer, and I'm still looking forward to it but I must admit I'm disappointed. Well, more confused than disappointed. It's not as if this will dull my fun at the table.
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Post by jasmith on Sept 15, 2012 2:50:14 GMT -6
Man, I won’t lie, that is a major disappointment. I bought this set for the art, period. Look at it this way: you'll still get the art. It won't be in the digest-sized booklets, though. Yeah, but speaking for myself, that's not what I ordered. Mark Allen's art was a major influence in my decision to purchase the box set. I understood that previously, the art was to be cut back, but that some of it would still be present in the booklets. I would urge the design team to reconsider that option, because frankly, I no longer feel I'm getting what I paid and waited for.
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Post by ravenheart87 on Sept 15, 2012 3:05:07 GMT -6
Look at it this way: you'll still get the art. It won't be in the digest-sized booklets, though. Yeah, but speaking for myself, that's not what I ordered. Mark Allen's art was a major influence in my decision to purchase the box set. I understood that previously, the art was to be cut back, but that some of it would still be present in the booklets. I would urge the design team to reconsider that option, because frankly, I no longer feel I'm getting what I paid and waited for. I agree. The art of Mark Allen was one of the main reasons why I ordered the boxed set. I can understand if there are only a few illustrations only in the booklets, but none at all is a bit disappointing... Another thing I'm a bit confused about: is Perilous Mazes going to contain everything from the boxed set or is it just for low levels?
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Post by Sean Michael Kelly on Sept 15, 2012 7:20:15 GMT -6
Simon, as I'm beginning (this weekend actually) a Delving Deeper group, I'm wondering when the edited no-art PDF's will be available? (I don't want to run off any more of the pre-press ones)
Thanks!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 15, 2012 7:58:45 GMT -6
Simon, as I'm beginning (this weekend actually) a Delving Deeper group, I'm wondering when the edited no-art PDF's will be available? (I don't want to run off any more of the pre-press ones) Thanks! Unless things change (which is not impossible) my agreement with John is for the free PDFs to be available from Immersive Ink (me) after the pre-order folks have their boxed sets from BHP. I don't have an exact date on that, but you could ask John. p.s. good luck with your game! Let us know how it goes
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Post by Sean Michael Kelly on Sept 15, 2012 8:11:14 GMT -6
Unless things change (which is not impossible) my agreement with John was for the free PDFs to be available from Immersive Ink (me) after the pre-order folks have their boxed sets from BHP. I don't have an exact date on that, but you could ask John. That's cool. I understand. Just wasn't sure if we "paleo-pre-order" folks, might could get before then, since still not sure of our pending shipment dates. Either way, I know you guys have a lot on your plates, and I have no desire to create more. BTW, thanks! We're looking forward to playing. The wifey's out of town so my sons and I have turned the place into a temporary frat-house. ;D
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Post by mgtremaine on Sept 15, 2012 8:33:08 GMT -6
Here I go sticking my nose in things I know nothing about, but it seems like if you (John, Simon) wanted to make the box-set booklets a little different then the no-art PDF you could throw in some full-page or 3/4-page art into each book.
Book 1 has 2 blank pages in booklet form so maybe at page 20 Combat and page 22 Spells you pad in some art and in works out fine.
Book 2 and 3 are even, no blanks, so you could insert up to 4 (or at least 2) pieces of art to fill them out.
I know this has probably been debate, I mean I appreciate the level of detail and effort that has gone into it, and know full well I'm mostly talking about stuff I have no idea but it was just a thought.
-Mike
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Post by Zenopus on Sept 15, 2012 13:10:13 GMT -6
Another thing I'm a bit confused about: is Perilous Mazes going to contain everything from the boxed set or is it just for low levels? See the other Perilous Maze thread, which says it "is going to be the same Delving Deeper text, but with optional tables, paragraphs and added material so that one can play Delving Deeper in a very Holme-like way". So it should have the entire DD text, including rules to level 12, plus extra material that can be used to make these rules play like Holmes.
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Post by capheind on Sept 16, 2012 11:56:16 GMT -6
I'm actually ok with the art primarily appearing in the larger volume provided there is quite a bit of it. It would be nice to have it in the booklets, but considering how many revisions and how long this has all taken I'm just glad something did eventually come out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 13:45:53 GMT -6
Would it be possible to release a fourth PDF volume that is a "Art of Delving Deeper" so that everyone gets the artwork that they thought was part of the boxed set pre-order, but at the same time won't require any changes to the layout of the books already created?
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Post by Haldo Bramwise on Sept 17, 2012 17:11:30 GMT -6
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