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Post by Finarvyn on Dec 1, 2011 10:20:04 GMT -6
...and since LotR was faithful enough for me either, I'm usually restricted to seeing movies that aren't adaptations. For this one, though, I'm trying to keep an open mind. Better a movie adapted from a book than the other way around. When they write books based on movies they never add anything you couldn't see on film. At least with a film there is the chance that they can add something visual to go with the words.
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Post by jasmith on Dec 1, 2011 11:22:43 GMT -6
...and since LotR was faithful enough for me either, I'm usually restricted to seeing movies that aren't adaptations. For this one, though, I'm trying to keep an open mind. Better a movie adapted from a book than the other way around. When they write books based on movies they never add anything you couldn't see on film. At least with a film there is the chance that they can add something visual to go with the words. The one exception I know of, is Matthew Stover's adaption of Revenge of the Sith. It added a better story. One with more depth. I swear, in places I think Mr. Stover was trying to fix what he saw as George Lucas' shortcomings, in particular as regards to characterization. Which is puzzling, since I know Lucas approved the novel. I think maybe old George just kinda sucks at directing actual actors and was willing to let the story suffer, so long as the special effects were done right.
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Post by terje on Dec 1, 2011 12:36:08 GMT -6
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Post by Finarvyn on Dec 4, 2011 11:09:47 GMT -6
Better a movie adapted from a book than the other way around. When they write books based on movies they never add anything you couldn't see on film. At least with a film there is the chance that they can add something visual to go with the words. The one exception I know of, is Matthew Stover's adaption of Revenge of the Sith. Oh, yeah! I forgot about that one, and I agree 100%. I managed to get ahold of the novel and read it a couple of days before the movie came out and I was so psyched based on the novel, but the movie failed to deliver. It's like Stover had this insight that Lucas never got.
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Post by DungeonDevil on Dec 4, 2011 14:43:40 GMT -6
Is it just me or does it look (based on the released screencaps) that this is going to look a lot like the latter three Star Wars movies? I may watch it when it comes to basic cable, but won't be shelling out any clams at the theatre.
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Post by rleduc on Dec 4, 2011 15:15:49 GMT -6
I'll pay and I'll bring my teen-aged son. But only after he has read the books.
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Post by Finarvyn on Dec 4, 2011 15:31:57 GMT -6
I'll pay and probably drag the family along. I was as skeptic at first, but the more I see the more I like what I see.
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Post by kesher on Dec 20, 2011 14:39:06 GMT -6
Second Trailer:
Awesomer and awesomer.
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Post by Mushgnome on Dec 20, 2011 14:50:59 GMT -6
Looks like they got a good price on some of the effects algorithms from Attack of the Clones.
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Post by Finarvyn on Dec 20, 2011 21:06:53 GMT -6
I tried to explain to my 19-year-old son about John Carter and he didn't seem that impressed. Then he got to see the trailer. Then he asked, "When does that movie come out again?" :-D
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 25, 2011 7:22:53 GMT -6
I hope it's decent, but the jury's out until I see it. Some things obviously had to be changed, like everyone running around naked, but the anti-Frazetta comments are disappointing. Keeping fingers crossed that it's tolerable as sword-and-planet, if not Barsoom.
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Post by amalric on Jan 6, 2012 17:28:52 GMT -6
Just saw the (new?) trailer on tv yesterday, looks pretty good, definite Star Wars feel to it.
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Post by Malcadon on Jan 13, 2012 10:38:18 GMT -6
* The production company earned my contempt when they announced that they would not be employing the fabulous imagery created by Frank Frazetta, with the excuse that they found his art to be too 'outdated' or somesuch limp language. Yeah, in an interview the Detector said that he did not what everybody look like something from a "heavy metal cover." A part of me died after reading that. I LIKE MY BARSOOM LIKE THAT DAMMIT!!!* The actress playing Dejah Thoris doesn't look suitably exotic and alluring enough. Several years ago I mentioned that she should be latina, perhaps Brazilian. Plus, too much kit for my Jasoomian tastes. And they are too lazy to get everyone painted-up in proper skin-tones. HELLO, DEJAH HAS ROSY RED SKIN -- NOT RED TATTOOS!!! And that leather top looks awful! For someone so anti-Frazetta, he really likes the leather bondage stuff. Also, the fact they changed the title from A Princess of Mars to John Carter shows Disney's/Hollywood's misogyny. Disney's evils go beyond simple misogyny -- it is perversions and hypocrisies on all level, most notably, the desecration of art and deep or meaningful storytelling for the sake of twisted puritan decency.
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Post by DungeonDevil on Jan 13, 2012 13:48:53 GMT -6
I had a Linguistics course years ago where Disneyfication was a new verb meaning something like "to Bowdlerise or sanitise a work so that it is in line with ultra-conservative Midwestern core values" or somesuch. Blech.
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Post by busman on Jan 13, 2012 14:44:44 GMT -6
The new trailer looks good. First one that has me interested in going to see the movie.
As for the title, John Carter is the right one to go with. It's a new IP, effectively, if you believe that you're going to capitalize on the investment in the IP, then you go with the core of the IP, John Carter is the way to go.
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Post by ritt on Jan 15, 2012 3:15:02 GMT -6
The Escape From New York movie novelization is fantastic. It's a great "Pulp Cyberpunk" book in it's own right that explains away all of the movie's (minor) plot holes and inconsistancies in very clever ways, presents a grim and belivable post-holocaust fascist-nightmare world, and is incredibly dark (Snake Pliskin is a meth addict constantly tormented by pain from the Soviet chemical weapon that ate out his eye, for one).
Back on topic, I'm cautiously optimistic about JC, much of it looks very promising... but getting a lilly-white actress to play Dejah is a big disapointment for me*, and the whole tattoo thing is just utterly wrongheaded and bizarre.
*I realize the word "Exotic" is really un-PC these days, but that's really the one word to describe how I always imagined the character. A young Lexa Doig would have been a good fit, I think.
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Post by DungeonDevil on Jan 20, 2012 0:24:12 GMT -6
Isn't Lexa asian or half-asian? Erm, that doesn't quite fit.
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Post by Finarvyn on Feb 7, 2012 12:48:35 GMT -6
Anyone else see the JC movie trailer duing the SuperBowl? The neat thing was that it gave me an excuse to spread the word to some folks who had never heard of John Carter and/or Barsoom. (I told them it was written by the guy who wrote Tarzan and they were okay with it.) They also thought it was interesting that the book was written 100 years ago.
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Post by warrioroffrobozz on Feb 7, 2012 17:24:38 GMT -6
I saw the Super Bowl trailer, but I thought it was the worst one yet Still looking forward to the movie though, the last one I saw was Cowboys and Aliens.
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