Tolkien References

[Deleted]

From my second print, here are the references made to Tolkien or his properties:

Men & Magic

Page 6, Paragraph 2 - "even Hobbits"*
Page 8, Paragraph 2 - Hobbit description
Page 8, Paragraph 3 - "...a player wishing to be a Balrog..."
Page 9, Table - Hobbit, Balrog, Ent
Page 9, Illustration - Hobbit

In the OCE edition, all references to Balrogs were deleted, Hobbits and Ents changed to Halflings and Treants respectively.
Illustrations of the properties were kept but the identifications removed.

* - unchanged in the OCE edition, an oversight

References in the other books will be delineated in their own forums.

[busman]

This has been pretty well delineated on Tome of Treasures:

www.tomeoftreasures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13727&sid=b509d46a0549a4056cced0780f01d1c8#13727

[foster1941]

p. 23 (Hold Portal spell description): "a strong anti-magical creature will shatter it (i.e. a Balrog)."

[Finarvyn]

M&T 4th printing, page 13 -- Illustration labeled "Balrog"
U&WA 4th printing, page 14 -- Illustration labeled "Nazgul"

[Finarvyn]

I followed busman's link and found the "Tome of Treasures" thread about changes in the different versions. Then I chose only the Tolkien references and deleted the others.

If I read it right, the first number is the page number while the numbers in parenthesis (5) or (6,7) refer to the printing.

M&M
6.11 “hobbits” – uncorrected – all
8 Hobbits & Balrog (5) Halflings & Dragon (6,7)
9 Hobbits, Ents, Balrogs (5) Halflings, Treants, <blank> (6,7)
23.11 “(i.e, a Balrog),” (5) – removed (6,7)

M&T
1 image labeled “Nazgul” (5) – title removed (6,7)
3 “Balrogs” (5) – whole line removed (6,7)
4 “Ents” (5) Treants” (6,7)
7.ORCS para “Tolkein” ref (5) – removed and para reformatted (6,7)
7.”Balrog… 25%/100 Orcs…” present (5) – whole line removed (6,7)
9 “Barrow Wights (per Tolkein)” (5) – “Wights” and para reformatted; end of last line “energy by a Wight becomes a Wight” left duplicated in previous font (6,7) - plus "Tolkein" - uncorrected all - of course
9 “The Nazgul of Tolkein…” sentence (5) – removed and para reformatted (6,7)
13 image labeled “Balrog” (5) – title removed (6,7)
14 “BALROGS” paragraph/description (5) – removed and replaced by Tom Wham artwork (6,7)
16.ENTS refs to Ents (5) – replaced by Treants and para reformatted (6,7)
17.ROCS para “Eagles of Tolkein…” ref (5) – removed and para reformatted (6,7)
23 Sword 61-65 - +3 vs…. “Ents” (5) – “Treants” and “65” damaged (6,7)
27.sword alignment - ref to Ents (5) – changed to Treants and para reformatted (6,7)
32.potion of Fire Resistance – “Balrog immolation” – uncorrected – all Smile
32.(line above previous Balrog ref.) – “Fire” (5) in “Dragon Fire” – word replaced/in slightly different font (6,7) (slight difference between 6 & 7, too?))

U&WA
9.18 Hobbits (5) Halflings (6,7)
11.Monster Level 6/9 – Balrogs (5) Spectres (6,7)
14 image labeled “Nazgul” (5) – title removed (6,7)
15.table “Balrogs” and “Ents” (5) “Chmrs.” and “Treants” (6,7)
16. MOVEMENT table – “Balrog” line (5) removed (6,7)
18. last “12” line “Balrogs” and “Ents” (5,6) blank and “Treants” (7)
19.Dragon Types/10. “Balrogs” (5,6) blank (7)
25 image labeled “Ent” (5) – title removed (6,7)

This would appear to be a pretty extensive listing!

[Deleted]

In short, the only substantive change post-Tolkien removal is the total elimination of the Balrog from Chainmaill and the LBBs. I don't know how it is treated in the supplements other than it being referred to as a Type VI Demon.

[foster1941]

Supplement I retains its hobbit, balrog, and ent references through all printings. Early printings of Supplement III reportedly have parenthetical notes indicating that Type VI demons = balrogs; mine is a 5th printing (March 1978) and doesn't, except on p. 12. The encounter tables on pp. 56 & 58 include treants, which I'm assuming in the earlier printings would've been ents. I don't believe there are any hobbit, ent, or balrog references in Supplements II or IV. My copy of Swords & Spells (2nd printing, April 1977) includes assorted references to hobbits, ents, and wargs; I don't know if these were changed in later printings or not.