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Post by angantyr on Jun 22, 2020 21:59:05 GMT -6
I mean, you can recognize the contribution an author made to a genre without being a fan of that author. It's like Led Zeppelin. Nobody can deny what they did for hard rock music or the influence they had on what would become heavy metal. But Christ, I can't stand that man's voice. Godless Bloody Heathen!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 16:14:58 GMT -6
I discovered a funny thing when I started my Appendix N read through in 2017. I read Lovecraft's complete works early on in that ongoing exercise (currently taking a break to re-read the New King James Bible) and found that my favorite Lovecraft stories are the ones divorced from his Mythos, or the ones that are set in the Howardian universe. The Dream Cycle stuff. He does weird fantasy really well. I was captivated by the Randolph Carter stuff. I found most of the Mythos stuff to be of secondary quality, with the exception of At The Mountains of Madness which was captivating, but probably because I'm a huge fan of John Carpenter's "The Thing" and there are strong parallels.
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Post by geoffrey on Jun 30, 2020 8:25:20 GMT -6
...Lovecraft stories...that are set in the Howardian universe. Which of Lovecraft's stories are you referring to here?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 9:12:37 GMT -6
...Lovecraft stories...that are set in the Howardian universe. Which of Lovecraft's stories are you referring to here? Notably the story "The Doom that Came to Sarnath" is geographically set in Howard's world. The Dream Cycle stories like Cats of Ulster are apparently in an adjacent realm that can be accessed from there. For Howard's part he references Lovecraft's mythos in several of his own stories, notably "Worms of the Earth." It's not a super prominent or obvious thing when you read the stories but there are connecting points.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 3:24:37 GMT -6
I dearly love Lovecraft, and have read almost everything he's written, but I find myself drawn away from his more popular stories, and more towards his more old-fashioned, Poe-style tales, like "The Outsider". (Which is probably my favorite piece by him.) I guess this might have been the reason why I never quite got into the CoC RPG, as well: As much as enjoy these stories, I like more "open" horror better.
King does a few interesting things with Lovecratian elements; I think his "Mr Mercedes" universe does this better than a lot of his more popular works. Myself, of all the different horror authors named, I think I like Ambrose Bierce the best, at this point, Not because he'd be better or worse than others, but his work is the one I enjoy the most, at this stage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 3:34:19 GMT -6
Which of Lovecraft's stories are you referring to here? Notably the story "The Doom that Came to Sarnath" is geographically set in Howard's world. The Dream Cycle stories like Cats of Ulster are apparently in an adjacent realm that can be accessed from there. For Howard's part he references Lovecraft's mythos in several of his own stories, notably "Worms of the Earth." It's not a super prominent or obvious thing when you read the stories but there are connecting points. Wait, what? Isn't Sarnath located in the same world as Iranon - meaning, prehistoric Earth, but not exactly Howard's prehistoric world?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 5:40:12 GMT -6
Notably the story "The Doom that Came to Sarnath" is geographically set in Howard's world. The Dream Cycle stories like Cats of Ulster are apparently in an adjacent realm that can be accessed from there. For Howard's part he references Lovecraft's mythos in several of his own stories, notably "Worms of the Earth." It's not a super prominent or obvious thing when you read the stories but there are connecting points. Wait, what? Isn't Sarnath located in the same world as Iranon - meaning, prehistoric Earth, but not exactly Howard's prehistoric world? I believe it's meant to be ambiguous in a tongue-in-cheek way but the two authors had a mutual respect for one another and it was their intention of having an early example of a shared literary universe. Just not as strictly defined or well known as later shared universes. I believe the Sarnath stuff was intended to be closer to "when the waters drank Atlantis", so more Kull era and less Conan era.
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Post by asaki on Jul 2, 2020 12:13:00 GMT -6
Wait, what? Isn't Sarnath located in the same world as Iranon - meaning, prehistoric Earth, but not exactly Howard's prehistoric world? I'm sure the annotated version probably says something about it. I'd have to figure out which cardboard box to dig those books out of, though... ¬_¬
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Post by Falconer on Jul 8, 2020 14:22:43 GMT -6
I thought it was part of the Dreamlands, which I also took to function as Lovecraft’s “prehistoric earth”.
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