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Post by aldarron on Jul 8, 2011 10:17:03 GMT -6
Please, please, tell me you guys will allow me to put this into a PDF as a Chainmail supplement? I'll put in the work on layout and such. Other than Hippogryphs and spiders, those monsters are all already given stats in OD&D material and that list is already published as part of the OD&D with Chainmail doc freely available. It also has the lists of additional monsters that Marv converted a while back. What would be awesome is a new list of the monsters in the MM not already given CM stats by TSR. BTW coop. you have the Giant Eagle/Roc relationship reversed. Giant Eagles in Tolkien were huge. Thier given wingspan was 118 feet. The Rocs was around 40 feet IIRC. Rocs were used as psuedonyms for Gorean Tarns.
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Post by Falconer on Jul 8, 2011 11:47:15 GMT -6
Here is how OD&D Vol. II (5th Printing) puts it: “ROCS: This term has been used to encompass large and fierce birds such as the "Eagles" of Tolkein, but the Roc of mythology preys upon elephants! Therefore, the data given for Rocs is understood to be that for the small variety, and that for the largest Rocs should be doubled or even trebled.”
I always took this to mean: Normal Roc = “the Eagles of Tolkein” (who prey on sheep per The Hobbit) Roc with doubled or tripled stats = “the Roc of Mythology” (who preys on elephants)
This may not be true to the actual literature, but I tend to enjoy taking something OD&D says as “canon”. Besides, even in Tolkien, it is only Thorondor who is described as having such a huge wingspan (180'). He is such an incredibly ancient and mythology-grade being, even within the context Tolkien’s high legendarium, that I really don’t get the sense that the average Great Eagle, certainly by the Third Age, would be even half his size.
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Post by aldarron on Jul 11, 2011 13:00:38 GMT -6
Here is how OD&D Vol. II (5th Printing) puts it: “ROCS: This term has been used to encompass large and fierce birds such as the "Eagles" of Tolkein, but the Roc of mythology preys upon elephants! Therefore, the data given for Rocs is understood to be that for the small variety, and that for the largest Rocs should be doubled or even trebled.”I always took this to mean: Normal Roc = “the Eagles of Tolkein” (who prey on sheep per The Hobbit) Roc with doubled or tripled stats = “the Roc of Mythology” (who preys on elephants) This may not be true to the actual literature, but I tend to enjoy taking something OD&D says as “canon”. Besides, even in Tolkien, it is only Thorondor who is described as having such a huge wingspan (180'). He is such an incredibly ancient and mythology-grade being, even within the context Tolkien’s high legendarium, that I really don’t get the sense that the average Great Eagle, certainly by the Third Age, would be even half his size. Good points Phil. For myself though I still prefer the other way around. I'm sure you are right about Thorondor, but I don't really think he was meant to be more than twice as big as the other eagles. The SRD description of Roc puts a normal roc at 24 ft wingspan and a giant Roc at 80 feet.
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