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Post by cooper on Oct 30, 2010 21:37:16 GMT -6
Anyone know?
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Post by 18 Spears on Oct 30, 2010 22:00:50 GMT -6
Balrogs appears in my copy of Chainmail. What, exactly, do you want to know?
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Post by cooper on Oct 30, 2010 22:17:56 GMT -6
What do they fight as, my guess is like 3 heavy horse or something? Special abilities?
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Post by 18 Spears on Oct 30, 2010 22:28:53 GMT -6
BALROGS: A Balrog is truly a terrible opponent. Balrogs cannot be killed by normal missile fire or in normal combat. It inflicts casualties in normal combat as if it were two Heavy Horse. In addition, the Balrog can immolate any normal figure it touches during its move or melee. They operate equally well in darkness or in light. They can fly 15" per turn, and remain airborne for three turns.
Morale Rating — 50 Point Value — 75
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Post by James Richardson on Oct 31, 2010 1:10:56 GMT -6
I'm sure I can't find Balrogs in the PDF of the 3rd edition, 7th printing.
What edition do you have, 18Spears, or, if you also have 3rd edition, what page are they on?
I'm wondering whether they were removed as part of that Tolkien copyright violation thing.
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Post by aldarron on Oct 31, 2010 5:17:43 GMT -6
I'm wondering whether they were removed as part of that Tolkien copyright violation thing. No doubt. For completeness, here are the OD&D stats: Balrog Move: 60 feet/turn, 150 feet flying Treasure Type: F Alignment: chaotic evil Hit Dice: 10 Attacks: 2 Armor Class: 2 Damage: see below A Balrog is a highly intelligent and truly terrible opponent with a magical nature. Balrogs cannot be killed by normal missile fire or melee weapons and there is a high probability that spells will not work against them (75%). They operate equally well in darkness or light and can remain airborne for three turns. In combat a Balrog will normally attack with a +1 magical sword, however, if it immolates (any score of 7 or better on two 6-sided dice, Dungeon Master to check each round) it also attacks with its whip. If the whip hits, the Balrog drags the opponent against its flaming body, doing 3d6 points of damage. In this manner a Balrog can fight two opponents at the same time.
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Post by Finarvyn on Oct 31, 2010 5:25:36 GMT -6
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Post by 18 Spears on Oct 31, 2010 7:02:07 GMT -6
Balrogs are listed in the Table of Contents on the same line as "Giants, Ents, Dragons".
They are listed on the first page of the Fantasy Supplement portion of the rules (p. 28) on the same line as "Ogres, Trolls".
They are in the listing at the top of page 30, a continuance of the "Elves (and Faeries) versus ..." listing.
Page 31, they appears in a listing for resolution of wizard missile attacks; below the wraith and above the giant.
The are on page 34 twice. The first time describing their ability to attack "true trolls" in the troll description. The second is the actual Balrog entry I quoted in the previous post.
Page 35 they appear twice, in the "ent" description and the "dragon" description.
Page 36 they appear in the "fire elemental" description.
Page 39 they appear in a listing for troop damage in sieges (4 points, btw). They also appear in the "Chaos" column for alignment on the same page (below "true troll" and above "giants").
Page 43 they are listed in Appendix D.
Page 44 they are listed in Appendix E.
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Post by 18 Spears on Oct 31, 2010 7:03:59 GMT -6
Oh, and I also have a 3rd edition but I don't know the printing. Check your PMs for a description of the book, perhaps you can tell from the particulars.
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Post by James Richardson on Nov 1, 2010 1:51:15 GMT -6
Thanks for the very detailed replies! I'm very new to this forum, so I'll probably ask questions that have already been discussed by everyone. Someone should start a wiki which contains the sum total of the forum's knowledge.
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Post by jcstephens on Nov 1, 2010 18:26:24 GMT -6
While we're on the subject, what exactly does 'immolate' mean? If it's like dragon breath, why does a Balrog even need melee stats?
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Post by 18 Spears on Nov 1, 2010 21:54:31 GMT -6
Immolate: to kill or destroy by fire.
It isn't the same as dragon breath because it can only burn one target. Still, the balrog is nasty in D&D because its one of the few monsters that can fight more than one opponent at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 9:59:24 GMT -6
What are the values for the Balrog on the CHAINMAIL Fantasy Combat Table?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 10:36:14 GMT -6
Attacks and defends as Special.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 11:00:48 GMT -6
I meant the "fantasy creatures vs fantasy creatures" Fantasy Combat Table. You know, what does a dragon need to kill a Balrog, etc. Appendix E in 3rd Ed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 11:11:48 GMT -6
BALROG Attacking: - Balrog: 7
- Dragon: 11
- Elemental: 11
- Ent/Tree: 8
- Giant: 8
- Hero: 4
- Lycanthrope: 6
- Roc: 1-
- Superhero: 7
- Troll/Ogre: 6
- Wight/Ghoul: 4
- Wizard @: 8
- Wraith: 11
@: Note that other magic users are at lesser values Roc: I included the notation for Roc exactly as it appeared on my tables, though I assume it should be "10" since zero is next to the dash character on a standard keyboard. (edited in order to actually make sense, and to including "attacking" heading)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 11:21:25 GMT -6
Thanks, Cameron. That's the defense roll, though, correct? What are the attack rolls?
That is, the vertical column of numbers under "Balrog" are the defense numbers. "Balrog" is also top of the list of horizontal rows for attack numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 11:37:49 GMT -6
BALROG Defending: - Balrog: 7
- Dragon: 6
- Elemental: 10
- Ent/Tree: 12
- Giant: 9
- Hero*: 11
- Lycanthrope: 10
- Roc: 12
- Superhero*: 9
- Troll/Ogre: 10
- Wight/Ghoul: 12
- Wizard* @: 7
- Wraith*: 10
@: Note that other magic users are at lesser values * May withdraw from combat if opponent dice score is NO EFFECT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 11:38:55 GMT -6
The first table I posted is the Balrog versus attacks (read horizontally on the Balrog entry when viewing the page landscape).
I've posted the defender table, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 12:51:28 GMT -6
COOL! I exalt thee!
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Post by Matthew on Jun 10, 2012 6:38:27 GMT -6
Nice! I need to modify my Fantasy Combat table!
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Post by angantyr on Oct 7, 2020 1:19:30 GMT -6
Bit of thread necro. Curious as to the the threads linked to here. They do not appear to be extant any longer - what happened?
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Post by Finarvyn on Oct 7, 2020 20:28:02 GMT -6
A great question. Threads here hardly ever get deleted, but it's possible they got moved and thus the links no longer work. Looks like my post quoted was from 10 years ago. (1) You could try the search function to see if they pop up. (2) A manual search might work as well. You could try the Tolkien section in fiction, or maybe the Monsters & Treasures section. - - - - - - - - - - EDIT: A search of the boards showed 11 threads with the word "balrog" in the title. Clicking on the two in question it would appear that both are in the "Tolkien and Middle-earth" section of the boards. odd74.proboards.com/board/87/tolkien-middle-earth
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