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Post by Falconer on Jul 26, 2010 11:59:32 GMT -6
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Post by uncruliar on Jul 26, 2010 12:07:21 GMT -6
Great list. Have an Exalt!
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Post by ffilz on Jul 26, 2010 12:08:34 GMT -6
You're missing QuestWorld. And Thieve's World perhaps should be listed since it does include RQ stats and is in the same format as the other boxed sets.
Frank
p.s. though I guess you did specify Gloranthan (but then the Gateway Bestiary may be out of place - though the later use of dinosaurs did mostly use the stats from Gateway Bestiary).
I seem to recall that Sanctuary was placed in Glorantha for playtesting in the Chaosium house RQ campaign.
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Post by James Maliszewski on Jul 26, 2010 12:36:55 GMT -6
What's really amazing is how few products were produced, the vast majority of which were adventures or campaigns rather than rules supplements or expansions.
I'm sure there's a lesson to be learned there ...
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Post by ffilz on Jul 26, 2010 17:50:25 GMT -6
That is a nice aspect, though to be honest, most of the supplements have rules crunch in them in the way of new skills and spells, and a few do have rules. I think the rules for dropping torches and lamps from Apple Lane did make it into RQ 2, but there are other rules scattered here and there (including upgrading humans to 2d6+6 INT and SIZ, which I think was in Trollpak).
But overall, relatively few rules additions compared to other games.
And none of the supplements are pure rules additions.
Frank
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Post by Falconer on Jul 26, 2010 18:33:03 GMT -6
You're missing QuestWorld. And Thieve's World perhaps should be listed since it does include RQ stats and is in the same format as the other boxed sets. p.s. though I guess you did specify Gloranthan I seem to recall that Sanctuary was placed in Glorantha for playtesting in the Chaosium house RQ campaign. That is correct, I didn’t include explicitly non-Gloranthan producst on the list. But, alright, here you go, for completeness’ sake: 2007 Thieves’ World (1981) 4018 Questworld (1982)
(but then the Gateway Bestiary may be out of place - though the later use of dinosaurs did mostly use the stats from Gateway Bestiary). I’m no expert, but I did notice that Griffin Mountain lists The Gateway Bestiary as one of the few products required in order to run it.
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Post by ffilz on Jul 26, 2010 23:41:20 GMT -6
I think when the Gateway Bestiary was being put together, the idea was to provide some distinctly non-Gloranthan creatures. Then subsequently, dinosaurs became the best way to describe some Gloranthan creatures (I don't think they're really Earth dinosaurs - it's just a shortcut way to describe the creatures). Also, Griffon Mountain was not originally conceived as a Gloranthan product, however, they decided actually it fit in quite well and changed a few things to slide it into Glorantha.
The Judges Guild products really aren't very Gloranthan, Duck Tower works fine, and I love Hell Pits of Nightfang's map, so I have used it (but not always as a vampire lair), and I think it would work fine. City of Lei Tabor and Broken Tree Inn really don't fit Glorantha well at all. Duck Pond I haven't really delved into much. Of course I will never part with all of these, but yea, other than Duck Tower and Hell Pits, I'm not likely to ever use them.
Great list though. Now you just need to start adding all the other products.... :-) And decide if you want to expand the list to Avalon Hill/RQ3 products...
Frank
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Post by Finarvyn on Jul 27, 2010 5:01:44 GMT -6
What's really amazing is how few products were produced, the vast majority of which were adventures or campaigns rather than rules supplements or expansions. Funny, but I was thinking just the opposite ... there are more products for RQ1/RQ2 than I had realized. decide if you want to expand the list to Avalon Hill/RQ3 products... In a way, I hope not. I'd prefer to keep the focus in the Chaosium & JG years, but that's just me...
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Post by ffilz on Jul 27, 2010 8:52:53 GMT -6
There certainly is something to keeping to RQ1/2, though there is some value in identifying how the Avalon Hill products relate to the RQ2 products, some folks may find them easier to find, and depending on how much one just wants the background information vs. game stats, they could be worthwhile.
But limiting oneself to RQ1/2 products is totally reasonable. There's plenty of them, and the Avalon Hill products don't really add much.
Frank
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Post by Falconer on Jul 27, 2010 10:04:41 GMT -6
Funny, but I was thinking just the opposite ... there are more products for RQ1/RQ2 than I had realized. Well, I was amazed how many books were just collections of “pre-rolled” (computer-generated) character/monster/treasure stat blocks: 4004 SP3 Trolls and Trollkin (1978) 4005 SP4 Scorpion Men and Broos (1978) 4006 SP5 Militia & Mercenaries (1979) 4001 Fangs (1980) 4009 Foes (1980) 4011 Plunder (1980) 4012 RuneMasters (1980)
Why was that necessary? I would prioritize my collecting by ignoring them as well as the three “SoloQuest” books, and the list is reduced to 19 products total. In a way, I hope not. I'd prefer to keep the focus in the Chaosium & JG years, but that's just me... Agreed. There are places where you can find a more complete list. A more specialized list is more helpful to me anyway, since a large list can be overwhelming and more difficult to grasp.
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Post by Falconer on Jul 27, 2010 10:06:34 GMT -6
4011 Plunder (1980)
Actually, I was mistaken about this one, as at least half of it actually details unique and interesting artifacts.
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Post by ffilz on Jul 27, 2010 10:29:13 GMT -6
Plunder is nice for those artifacts. I don't think I've ever actually used any, but still, it's nice.
RuneMasters does have some nice discussion on "high level" characters that some have found valuable. While high level PCs might look like these guys, I'm not sure I'd ever use them as is for NPCs.
The random stats books were nice when the suggestion was that the GM actually roll NPC stats. Look at the NPCs in Balastor's Barracks, Apple Lane, and Snake Pipe Hollow. Each NPC is different. Later modules went to generic NPCs for all but named individuals. I used to make use of these random stats books, now I don't (though eventually I would like to get SP4 Scorpion Men and Broos as one of the few products I'm missing - I also don't have the Soloquests).
Frank
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Post by ffilz on Jul 27, 2010 10:32:55 GMT -6
Another series of products that aren't Glorantha specific, but are RQ related (though I didn't know that at the time) are Boardcraft's Fantasy Paths, Castle Paths, and Village Paths. They include some nice geomorphic tiles, a small scenario, and a Basic Role Playing booklet. www.diffworlds.com/fantasy_paths.htmFrank
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Post by Finarvyn on Jul 27, 2010 11:53:48 GMT -6
the Avalon Hill products don't really add much. On the other hand, I hate to stifle the discussion if enough folks are interested in the AH products. They can have their own thread.
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Post by Falconer on Jul 27, 2010 12:48:00 GMT -6
My impression is that all their great and famous works were done in 2e, and that in the 3e era they were just struggling the entire time to catch up to what they had done in 2e (i.e. trying to get the greats revised for the new edition and back into print if possible, etc.) and never quite made it.
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