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Post by coffee on Jul 12, 2010 20:44:00 GMT -6
I actually did laugh out loud at that.
Sure, buddy, he went from 13th to 30th. Shows how inflated AD&D was, huh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2010 9:14:47 GMT -6
I think that having an unofficial cap at 12th level is quite logical, based on what you all have said. The problem is that as soon as you make a rules set and cap it at 12 then people will complain that you have ruined their game.
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Post by kenmeister on Jul 15, 2010 9:37:00 GMT -6
Also pointing out that the ending BBEG of Lost Caverns of Tsojconth is Drelzna, a 13th level fighter.
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Post by coffee on Jul 15, 2010 10:55:19 GMT -6
The problem is that as soon as you make a rules set and cap it at 12 then people will complain that you have ruined their game. If you're in a position to set the cap, then it's your game. And they don't have to play in it if they don't want to, now do they? Honestly, people will complain about anything you might do. That's not a reason not to do it. It is, however, a reason to consider what you're doing before you do it. And that's what we're doing here.
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Post by cooper on Jul 15, 2010 14:31:51 GMT -6
Basically following the attack matrices for the fighter class which was in turn derived from chainmail classifications of foot/hero/super-hero.
Normal Man Tier: 0-3 self explanatory. Good introductory tier, or "gritty" or for those wishing for a rules-light frame work. Fighting orcs and goblins on a 1:1 basis, Veteran armored foot soldier, cutpurses, and seers gang up and take out an ogre.
Heroic Tier: 4-6 fireballs/lightning bolts make an appearance now destroying units of goblins now on a 1:10 scale. exceptional strength and weapon specialization for fighters and 4 attacks per round for fighting-men/thieves now granted make them goblin blenders, magic weapons make an appearance (sting/elfin chain/glamdri, cat's claw and scalpel). Heroes like Strider, the gray mouser, knights, and magicians like gandalf the grey and warlocks Fighting giants, and multiple units of ogres and small dragons b/x pg.B34 mentzer pg.29
Super Heroic Tier: 7-12 More of the same but more bad-ass. death spells and teleports, 8 attacks per round and intelligent vorpal swords. Characters are now leaders of whole armies and not just powerful units. Super-Heroes like conan and aragorn, fighter-lords, barrons, and kings with wizards like gandalf the white Slaying dragons and balrogs.
Epic Tier: 13+ limited wish, meteor swarm, time stop and one man armies. Excalibur, the eye of vecna, staves of the magi, Elric and Raistlin, The eternal champion John Carter, or King Isildur Meeting morgoth or Orcus on the field of battle, slaying demon-lords, deities and demi-gods. Reshaping worlds.
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