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Post by havard on Nov 12, 2009 16:12:21 GMT -6
According to DA1, the ruler of Thonia is Emperor Iyx I. It sounds awfully similar to Iuz doesnt it? Reading up a bit on Greyhawk lore, I found that Iuz' lover Zuggtmoy could be based on Tsathoggua. Taking this further, Tsathoggua is most likely the deityworshipped in the Temple of the Frog... Whoah...what have I discovered? Havard
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Post by snorri on Nov 12, 2009 16:35:47 GMT -6
Intriguing discover. I will have a look on that issue too. I'm currently rereading EPT confronting it with the FFC combat system and what I discovered as the "% layer of OD&D", and I guess the system there's a lot of clues there as well.
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Post by grodog on Nov 14, 2009 21:38:20 GMT -6
Very interesting idea, Havard! I haven't heard that Zuggtmoy (or Tsuggtomy) was based on Tsathoggua at all before, so I'd be curious to hear about how you see that connection working.
Iyx does look a bit like Iuz, and I can probably even think about the two being pronounced the same ways, too, with some warping of the "u" and "y" sounds a bit. Curiouser and curiouser....
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Post by havard on Nov 15, 2009 4:03:05 GMT -6
Intriguing discover. I will have a look on that issue too. I'm currently rereading EPT confronting it with the FFC combat system and what I discovered as the "% layer of OD&D", and I guess the system there's a lot of clues there as well. Thanks! Uhm...what's EPT? I'm looking forward to seeing what else you can find Havard
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Post by havard on Nov 15, 2009 5:21:23 GMT -6
Very interesting idea, Havard! I haven't heard that Zuggtmoy (or Tsuggtomy) was based on Tsathoggua at all before, so I'd be curious to hear about how you see that connection working. The Zuggtmoy/Tsathoggua connection is just something I got from wikipedia: So perhaps not all that much to work from. The two deities don't seem all that similar in other ways, but if Iyx has a relationship to "the Frog" similar to Iuz' relationship with Zuggtmoy that could be something to work on. Indeed! Ofcourse, this might one of Dave Ritchie's addition to DA1. Then again, the information about Thonia and its emperor doesn't really add anything to the module as such. Some of it has to do with connecting it to the Known World ofcourse, but there are too many details there to really be explained by that... Havard
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 8:28:28 GMT -6
Thanks! Uhm...what's EPT? I'm looking forward to seeing what else you can find EPT = Empire of the Petal Throne
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Post by havard on Nov 15, 2009 12:03:24 GMT -6
Thanks! Uhm...what's EPT? I'm looking forward to seeing what else you can find EPT = Empire of the Petal Throne Ah thanks! Havard
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Post by aldarron on Nov 15, 2009 20:28:07 GMT -6
Check out the "swords of the steel Throne" thread in the Empire of the Petal Throne section, Havard. M.A.R. Barker was a friend of Arnesons and they liked to play in each others campaigns. The EPT rules were published before Greyhawk. I'm not sure if Barker was playing in Blackmoor before he wrote those rules but I think Snorri is suggesting he did and that Dave's game mechanics may have influenced Barkers rules. Am I reading that right Snorri?
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Post by geoffrey on Nov 15, 2009 20:54:05 GMT -6
Check out the "swords of the steel Throne" thread in the Empire of the Petal Throne section, Havard. M.A.R. Barker was a friend of Arnesons and they liked to play in each others campaigns. The EPT rules were published before Greyhawk. I'm not sure if Barker was playing in Blackmoor before he wrote those rules but I think Snorri is suggesting he did and that Dave's game mechanics may have influenced Barkers rules. Am I reading that right Snorri? Forgive me for being an EPT pedant, but GREYHAWK was published several months before EPT was released at 1975's Gen Con. Then BLACKMOOR was published soon after EPT. I think (but am not certain) that Prof. Barker played in Dave's Blackmoor campaign before Barker wrote the EPT rules in 1974.
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Post by havard on Nov 16, 2009 6:07:55 GMT -6
I think (but am not certain) that Prof. Barker played in Dave's Blackmoor campaign before Barker wrote the EPT rules in 1974. Very interesting! Could there be more ideas shared than just the rules? Aldarron, I will check out the thread you mention -Havard
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Post by aldarron on Nov 16, 2009 13:09:25 GMT -6
Forgive me for being an EPT pedant, but GREYHAWK was published several months before EPT was released at 1975's Gen Con. Then BLACKMOOR was published soon after EPT. Happy to be corrected. Perhaps what I was misremembering was when the EPT rules were written, not published, meaning that EPT was written without any influence of the Greyhawk rules. I'll dig around and see if I can find the info online.
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Post by geoffrey on Nov 17, 2009 9:00:27 GMT -6
Forgive me for being an EPT pedant, but GREYHAWK was published several months before EPT was released at 1975's Gen Con. Then BLACKMOOR was published soon after EPT. Happy to be corrected. Perhaps what I was misremembering was when the EPT rules were written, not published, meaning that EPT was written without any influence of the Greyhawk rules. I'll dig around and see if I can find the info online. You're definitely right. EPT was written in 1974. ;D
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Post by snorri on Nov 17, 2009 9:13:35 GMT -6
I'm not sure if Barker was playing in Blackmoor before he wrote those rules but I think Snorri is suggesting he did and that Dave's game mechanics may have influenced Barkers rules. Am I reading that right Snorri? My thought is, from the firts Blackmoor game to the publishing of OD1D, and even later, the hobbyists were in touch and exchanged ideas, tinkered a lot - maybe far much more than we do, and that EPT variants from OD&D could reflect some of such variants and readings. I don't know if MAR Barker played in Blackmoor, but Dave Arneson played in Tekumel - and it seems to be before the release of EPT. So corsspolinization is possible.
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