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Post by Finarvyn on May 1, 2009 14:21:15 GMT -6
A couple of long-term posters have mentioned to me that they don't like the potential abuse found in the Karma system, where posters can EXALT or SMITE each other. I'm somewhat torn and can see the good and bad parts of it.
I've been thinking about disabling the Karma function, but thought that I should have folks discuss it first before I play the "heavy handed moderator" and make a decision.
Anyone have any input on this?
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Post by coffee on May 1, 2009 14:48:16 GMT -6
I like it, but I'm not going to be too upset if it goes away.
The same effect could be gotten simply by posting "Good job, I exalt you!".
(I got two before someone actually said that they were exalting me, so I still don't know who the first two were from!)
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Post by kesher on May 1, 2009 14:57:20 GMT -6
I'd agree with coffee. It is funny to get Exalts anonymously, though I'll take whatever positive feedback I can get!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2009 15:02:33 GMT -6
I don't care for it, but don't feel that strongly one way or t'other.
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Post by ragnorakk on May 1, 2009 15:08:26 GMT -6
I could live without it, but I think it's cute.
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Post by greyharp on May 1, 2009 16:52:04 GMT -6
I too like it, but wouldn't care if it was disabled. A bit of anonymous praise makes your day.
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Post by harami2000 on May 1, 2009 17:41:18 GMT -6
Thanks for the poll. Fin'. It doesn't impact most people either way, but still a strong dislike from seeing what's happened in the past with such systems; mostly on other boards I've been on either as a user or moderator, but also here a few times. Unfortunately even here, it doesn't seem as though we can trust people to act in a mature fashion and when a single off-beam, but still friendly, thread is started after two relatively high value discussions, to whup them with massive negative karma is not a good "community builder". (Welcome to the world of self-censoring and cliques by proxy). The positive "+1" side is also far better expressed in words, thanks and general outlook IMO rather than anonymous backscratching and even possible active searching for such, but the "-1" side definitely causes more trouble than it's worth. JM-02c, anyhow.  Cheers, David. |
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Post by busman on May 1, 2009 19:36:37 GMT -6
If there was a way to remove just the Smite, that would be my preference.
Have we seen rampant abuse thus far? Or are we just avoiding potential? If we've seen real abuse and it's getting under people's skin, then, yes disable it. If people are only worried about it possibly happening, then I'd leave it be.
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Post by ragnorakk on May 1, 2009 19:39:29 GMT -6
I've never seen an example of someone smiting someone else.
It seems like the tone of this board is pretty reasonable.
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Post by Finarvyn on May 1, 2009 20:49:38 GMT -6
Thanks for the poll. Fin'. David, I EXALT you for that! (Sorry. Inside joke.  ) Seriously, I agree that the whole system would be a lot better if you could EXALT but not SMITE. And there have been a few instances where a bunch of people have ganged up on a person and whacked him with a bunch of SMITEs in a short amout of time. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. |
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Post by palmer on May 1, 2009 21:15:51 GMT -6
Huh, so that's what that Exalt, Smite, thing means. I did not know that.
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Post by chgowiz on May 5, 2009 7:45:39 GMT -6
I couldn't roll a 1 and smite myself to see what happens...
I don't mind the Karma, I kinda like it as an extra bit of applause to give someone. And we're such a small niche, I don't see where we'd abuse each other...
... on the boards. In a game... well...
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Post by Spike on May 5, 2009 9:12:38 GMT -6
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Post by Matthew on May 6, 2009 9:17:46 GMT -6
I am not a huge fan of the system. If you care about your "karma" rating then it may give you pause for thought before smiting somebody or posting something that may get you smote, but if you do not care, then you either totally ignore the function, or else smite and exalt however you like and for your own entertainment.
On the whole I would prefer to just see it dropped and let words do the communicating of praise, or condemnation. Numerical ratings (even post counts) are often inferred as a "rating" as to the relative worth of the comments of a poster separately from the content of their post. On the other hand, they also provide short hand for establishing whether the opinions of others coincide with your own [i.e. "That guy is spouting a load of nonsense; oh look 700 posts and 0 karma, looks like this is not the first time"].
The rights and wrongs of it are all pretty subjective in the end, though.
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Post by jcstephens on May 6, 2009 18:55:09 GMT -6
My only real problem with the 'smite' business is that no one's brave enough to put their name on one, much less explain what someone's getting it for. Negative feedback is useless if you don't know what you've done that offended.
If this can't be changed, you might as well scrap it entirely.
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Post by Matthew on May 7, 2009 4:46:14 GMT -6
Heh, heh. Looks like I got smote for saying that. ;D
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Post by ragnorakk on May 7, 2009 18:10:36 GMT -6
That's either dumb or funny. How did you take it?
I posted earlier that I thought the karma system is cute at best but not necessary.
Unfortunately proboards doesn't have a smiteless option.
Now people are getting hit with drive-by anonymous smites? That sucks.
Happened on the Trollbridge also.
Why? Why bother? Useless question - sorry. They aren't explaining themselves.
(The only time I really look at my karma is if someone points it out to me anyway...)
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Post by jcstephens on May 7, 2009 18:17:13 GMT -6
Just now looking, I see that I've picked up a few smites myself. The gutless nithlings who did it have my full permission and encouragement to kiss my ass.
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Post by grodog on May 7, 2009 20:25:49 GMT -6
Don't care |
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Post by Matthew on May 8, 2009 14:00:32 GMT -6
That's either dumb or funny. How did you take it? I thought it was kind of funny; just highlighting the nature of the thing. (The only time I really look at my karma is if someone points it out to me anyway...) I probably look at it slightly more often than that, but it is true that the only reason I noticed was because of the subject of the thread... looks like somebody exalted me back to three. ;D Just now looking, I see that I've picked up a few smites myself. The gutless nithlings who did it have my full permission and encouragement to kiss my ass. I would guess they do not say in order to avoid being smote in return and involved in an endless smiting feud... I notice on other boards that administrators and moderators frequently have this function disabled for themselves. |
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Post by doc on May 8, 2009 17:21:52 GMT -6
I'll side with the "I don't really care" faction. It's a nice function, and I kinda appreciate it when somebody likes my ideas enough to boost my karma (gives me a warm feeling inside, like Greek fire), but I would like this board just as much without it.
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Post by Finarvyn on May 8, 2009 17:56:40 GMT -6
On a PB forum I used to administer, I found a way to remove the "smite" link from the php code altogether in order to prevent abuse. Spike is my new hero. I used her trick and posters can EXALT but cannot SMITE anyone anymore! |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2009 18:20:31 GMT -6
Cool Finarvyn!
Have an exalt! (giggle)
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Post by doc on May 8, 2009 18:47:14 GMT -6
And would you believe that somebody recently smote me without saying why or identifying themselves? lol Typical!
Doc
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Post by calithena on May 8, 2009 19:37:31 GMT -6
I think a lot of us got smote in the last day or two. I've been smitten numerous times, actually.
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Post by garish on May 8, 2009 21:29:54 GMT -6
Hey, Fin, Spike is NOT a "he", unless recently subjected to a polymorph spell. Orc -fancier girls who understand technology...how many stereotypes shattered?
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Post by Finarvyn on May 9, 2009 6:00:42 GMT -6
Hey, Fin, Spike is NOT a "he", unless recently subjected to a polymorph spell. Orc -fancier girls who understand technology...how many stereotypes shattered? Drat.  Thanks for pointing that out. So few females post here that I never really look anymore. Thanks for pointing that out, and doesn't it figure that it would take a girl to figure out a solution that has a bunch of old guys totally befuddled. |
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Post by harami2000 on May 9, 2009 6:20:16 GMT -6
Hey, Fin, Spike is NOT a "he", unless recently subjected to a polymorph spell. Orc -fancier girls who understand technology...how many stereotypes shattered? Drat. Thanks for pointing that out. So few females post here that I never really look anymore. Yeah, more likely for the confusion to work the other way (e.g. calithena?). Thanks for pointing that out, and doesn't it figure that it would take a girl to figure out a solution that has a bunch of old guys totally befuddled. You see, I can say that comes across as sounding a bit sexist without getting anonymously nuked for doing so, now. Strange that the bitd m-f ratio in a regular gaming context was rarely worse than 3-1 in usual haunts here - and more usually closer to 2-1 - vs. the 58-1 (or whatever the crazy result was) in the White Dwarf survey. |
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Post by Spike on May 9, 2009 19:09:11 GMT -6
What I can't figure out is this.
How come it's the guys who play these silly games, but so many of the best mini painters are ladies? Is this another right-brain versus left-brain thing?
Maybe there's less room for right-brainy stuff in the nowadays gaming atmosphere than there used to be.
Still, that don't explain where the girls are on this forum. That's a bit of a head-scratcher.
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Post by ragnorakk on May 10, 2009 16:35:30 GMT -6
Quite the Kobayashi Maru there, pal!
While operating so far outside of the parameters of the test as presented should
result in a smiting, I can't seem to find my smiter...
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) 
Thanks for pointing that out.