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Post by machfront on Jan 6, 2023 9:06:49 GMT -6
Despite contributing, and after the last couple of months people talking about receiving their beta/previews, I’ve received nothing. 🤷♂️😕
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Post by Vile Traveller on Jan 6, 2023 9:11:18 GMT -6
Despite contributing, and after the last couple of months people talking about receiving their beta/previews, I’ve received nothing. 🤷♂️😕 Are you on their forum? forum.frialigan.se/viewforum.php?f=139You should try contacting them there, or via support@frialigan.se
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Post by machfront on Jan 6, 2023 9:24:32 GMT -6
I am not. Thank you, sir. I’ll reach out. Cheers!
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Post by machfront on Jan 6, 2023 10:41:03 GMT -6
Never mind. I see that for some bizarre, alien reason, my pledge from months and months ago of only about 40 bucks for the core set did not go through. Now, doing so again as a late pledge, it’s going to cost me over 50 bucks…so…no. Forget it. Frustrating and I’m still not convinced KS won’t still charge me for the first pledge I’m certain I made.
I’ll buy it used a year from now, I guess. Or not at all. Ugh! I’m out.
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Post by Vile Traveller on Feb 16, 2023 16:02:38 GMT -6
Free League have released the first draft of their third-party licence for Dragonbane. I think it needs some tightening up, and dropping the indemnity clause (no. 11) - I won't be using it with that in place, because it could leave me with unlimited liability for legal costs or damages if something goes wrong.
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Post by stevemitchell on Jul 15, 2023 16:08:52 GMT -6
Received my shipping notice today!
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Post by Finarvyn on Jul 16, 2023 5:41:23 GMT -6
Received my shipping notice today! Jealous. I keep finding "preorder one of the most anticipated games for 2023" ads popping up on my Facebook, but so far no shipping notice for DoD. (I got one the other day from Free League, but it was for another product and not DoD.) Of course, it won't be "most anticipated" once it comes out.
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Post by stevemitchell on Jul 18, 2023 16:04:08 GMT -6
And--Dragonbane is in the house! A very nice-looking package, as you would expect from Free League. I'm reading through the main rules now. System-wise, it all looks fine to me, though it's a long way removed from its supposed Magic World roots. I wish they had included more schools of magic (no death magic, and this is a Swedish RPG?) and more monsters, but I suppose that's why Odin invented expansions and supplements. Fin, I think I just got lucky with an early slot in the shipping process--this is going to take a few weeks to get to everybody. But you have a credit on the backers' list, so they clearly know who you are.
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Post by Finarvyn on Jul 19, 2023 4:53:15 GMT -6
Nice to know. They said that nobody should panic until August 7 or later, but sadly if I'm on "that end" of the shipping list I get my game right around the time summer break ends. Glad you got yours, however, and glad it's as awesome as we expected.
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 4, 2023 4:45:44 GMT -6
Got my KS stuff for Dragonbane yesterday. Very heavy box, full of stuff. I still wish they had gone with "Drakar och Demoner" but their tagline "Mirth & Meyhem" would have been another alternative title as well.
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Post by tkdco2 on Aug 4, 2023 13:09:49 GMT -6
The boxed set packs a lot of stuff, and I like the mechanics. I also like the solo play option.
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Post by ravenheart87 on Aug 9, 2023 2:46:57 GMT -6
It's a proper boxed set that gives you a rulebook and a good deal of adventures, along with cardboard minis, dice, map. I went for the deluxe option and got a cloth map too of the region, which is both stunning and sturdy. Well done, Free League.
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Post by Finarvyn on Oct 11, 2023 15:34:40 GMT -6
Pre-orders for the Bestiary are up in the Free League web store. Warning, if you buy and get the PDF right away you may have to look in your SPAM folder to get the link. Myself and at least one other poster had that issue. Bestiary looks cool. Options for some extra races to play, plus monsters to fight.
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Post by Finarvyn on Jan 14, 2024 19:06:21 GMT -6
Anyone here playing Dragonbane? I had some time this afternoon and spent some time thumbing through the rulebook again and I really like what I see. I think I will throw together some character sheets in my old-school style and see if I can get my crew to give this game a shot soon.
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Post by hamurai on Jan 15, 2024 23:22:24 GMT -6
My first impression of Dragonbane being sort ofa house-ruled 5E has still not been disproved, so I never continued down that path. Most of my group don't like 5E at all.
What's in Dragonbane that sets it apart, mechanics-wise? I remember spell-points instead of spell slots, but that's not a new thing.
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Post by Finarvyn on Jan 16, 2024 2:47:32 GMT -6
What's in Dragonbane that sets it apart, mechanics-wise? I remember spell-points instead of spell slots, but that's not a new thing. Well, hit points are really kept low. Hit points equal CON score, and stats rarely if ever go up. I see that as a feature, not a bug, and it would seem to change the vibe of the game quite a bit. The initiative system is neat. Card draw and cards can be traded with certain events. And you only get one action or reaction, so if you have already attacked you can't parry or dodge later that turn. The whole turn sequence has been streamlined quite a bit. You mentioned the spell point system. Based on stats, and as noted earlier stats don't change so you can learn new spells but not cast more. Still trying to figure out how this will play in a long-term campaign. Basically, levels are gone. I doubt you will find anything "new" in this game, but the artwork is awesome and the flavor seems to be a lot more streamlined than many other RPGs I see nowadays. The rulebook from the boxed set is pretty thin, which runs counter to the general market trend.
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Post by hamurai on Jan 16, 2024 23:30:50 GMT -6
Agreed, the artwork is very cool. I think it's the same artist who contributed to Ruin Masters, which I had backed, which is also a nice little niche system for dungeon crawl fantasy.
Thanks for the details! I also wonder how it does work out if you can learn new spells but can't cast more...
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Post by ravenheart87 on Jan 23, 2024 8:00:40 GMT -6
My first impression of Dragonbane being sort ofa house-ruled 5E has still not been disproved, so I never continued down that path. Most of my group don't like 5E at all. Where did you get the impression? Dragonbane belongs in different family of games - it is related to Chaosium's RuneQuest/Basic Roleplaying, it simply uses a d20 instead of d100 for tests á la Pendragon.
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Post by hamurai on Jan 23, 2024 8:44:24 GMT -6
My first impression of Dragonbane being sort ofa house-ruled 5E has still not been disproved, so I never continued down that path. Most of my group don't like 5E at all. Where did you get the impression? Dragonbane belongs in different family of games - it is related to Chaosium's RuneQuest/Basic Roleplaying, it simply uses a d20 instead of d100 for tests á la Pendragon. Well, using a d20 instead of d100 is, to me, a major point that it's not so close to RQ/BRP but closer to D&D or any d20 system, the attributes on the character sheet remind me a lot of D&D, too. I skimmed the quickstart back when the kickstarter happened and it reminded me more of 5E with houserules than anything else. That said, I'm familiar with RQ and we're playing Call of Cthulhu at the moment, which is BRP-related, too.
Maybe you can elaborate on how it's related to BRP, because I don't recall anything which would make that connection for me?
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Post by Finarvyn on Jan 23, 2024 9:52:28 GMT -6
Maybe you can elaborate on how it's related to BRP, because I don't recall anything which would make that connection for me? A little history as I understand it. Back in 1981 (I think) a Swedish company got the rights to take BRP and "Magic World" and put them together into a Swedish RPG which they called Drakar och Demoner (Dragons and Demons). It was based on d% and skills instead of levels, as per BRP, but added in spells. My understanding is that they also took the concept of Duck characters from Runequest and this was a part of the setting from the onset. DoD was based on BRP, which places it in the same general family of games with Call of Cthulhu, Runequest, Elric and Stormbringer and Hawkmoon, Pendragon, and probably many others which focused on skills rather than levels. I owned most of those over the years, but mostly preferred the D&D family of games because of the level approach. Over the past 40 years DoD has gone through multiple editions and I think Dragonbane represents the 10th edition of the game. Some of the editions used the d20, others the d%. 6E, I think from 2000, introduced levels to the game, but they were removed when fans objected. 9E, from 2021, is the first to remove the Drakar och Demoner name and the first to be printed in English instead of Swedish. The 9E version is called Ruin Masters. The newest one is a revision of Ruin Masters, when Free League bought the rights. They have a dual product line of Drakar och Demoner in Swedish and Dragonbane in English. So why might it remind you of 5E? A couple of reasons: (1) The use of the d20 instead of BRP's traditional d100. (2) The use of a "Boon" (advantage) and a "Bane" (disadvantage). Other than that, Dragonbane resembles BRP a lot more than 5E, in my opinion.
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Post by hamurai on Jan 23, 2024 10:08:19 GMT -6
Thanks for clarifying, Fin!
Seeing Ruin Masters as a related game never crossed my mind - I own it and it's very different with only 4 stats and 6 skills. I'd never have made a connection there, tbh.
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Post by Finarvyn on Jan 24, 2024 8:13:09 GMT -6
Started another thread with more complete history.
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Post by ravenheart87 on Jan 24, 2024 9:03:03 GMT -6
Well, using a d20 instead of d100 is, to me, a major point that it's not so close to RQ/BRP but closer to D&D or any d20 system, the attributes on the character sheet remind me a lot of D&D, too. I skimmed the quickstart back when the kickstarter happened and it reminded me more of 5E with houserules than anything else. That said, I'm familiar with RQ and we're playing Call of Cthulhu at the moment, which is BRP-related, too. Maybe you can elaborate on how it's related to BRP, because I don't recall anything which would make that connection for me?
The first edition was the 16 pages long BRP booklet from World of Wonder's Magic World booklet translated to swedish. 3rd edition's Expert set moved on to using a d20 roll under system instead of a d100 roll under system, á la Pendragon. It is still a skill-based system where your skills improve by usage, where attacks and parries are still opposed skill tests, where armour reduces damage, and where you don't level up and incraese your HP during your adventures. The statline is the same as BRP/RQ, they only dropped Size. The new edition does borrow some stuff from 5e (fast healing, short and long rests, feat equivalents, advantage/disadvantage instead of modifiers), but the core is still very much a BRP with skill numbers divided by 5.
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