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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 21, 2021 21:37:10 GMT -6
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 22, 2021 7:47:36 GMT -6
As a short follow-up, my $20 hardback purchase also came with four PDFs for free.
1. RuneQuest Classic rulebook
2. Player Handouts
3. Character Sheets
4. RuneQuest 2 GM Screen
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Post by stevemitchell on Aug 22, 2021 10:05:10 GMT -6
That's a nice package for just 20 bucks!
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Post by jeffb on Aug 22, 2021 12:43:52 GMT -6
As a short follow-up, my $20 hardback purchase also came with four PDFs for free. 1. RuneQuest Classic rulebook 2. Player Handouts 3. Character Sheets 4. RuneQuest 2 GM Screen Heya Finarvyn Actually the Hardcover was available from day one. It has all the errata as well as expansion articles and design notes from several sources (zine articles) back in day by Steve, Greg, etc. The NuChaosium did a fine job here. Well worth $20. This was the exact package of stuff you get in the original RQ Classic Kickstarter print pledge level- you got the Hardcover classic rulebook and all those items as printed handouts- The GM screen is thin cardstock but sufficient enough for awhile before it gets trashed. I still have an original Judges Guild RQ Judges Shield in shrinkwrap and I'm pretty sure the JG shield is heavier cardstock (all my gaming books are in storage right now so I cannot check for certain). IOW- you are better off printing out your own on better material or attaching it to a generic screen. And yes, the quickstart is for the new RQ edition, not RQ1/2 |
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Post by ffilz on Aug 23, 2021 13:12:32 GMT -6
Yea this is so cool. I’m especially pleased with the RQ1 POD. Between that and PDFs it’s easy to get players into my RQ1 games.
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Post by Finarvyn on Aug 24, 2021 4:37:02 GMT -6
Nice to see a great version supported, that's my thought. WotC should do something like this for OD&D, even if it's a single hardback of the 3 LBB only along with PDF support. Make it clear that it's a reproduction but a nice one. Make it cheap. Encourage folks to explore the Genesis of the RPG hobby, with their logo plastered all over it as if they did something back then.  |
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Post by jeffb on Aug 24, 2021 5:27:21 GMT -6
Nice to see a great version supported, that's my thought. WotC should do something like this for OD&D, even if it's a single hardback of the 3 LBB only along with PDF support. Make it clear that it's a reproduction but a nice one. Make it cheap. Encourage folks to explore the Genesis of the RPG hobby, with their logo plastered all over it as if they did something back then. Thoughts: I could see this for the 50th Anniversary coming up. Based on recent attitudes at WOTC towards older edition products, would they would consider it? They already changed the covers and some of the original art with the last re-print and resulting PDFs. Would they change more? With all the socio-political BS going on in gaming, I'd rather the 5E community/fanbase stay far far away from OD&D (and other TSR editions). They've already buggered up things enough. |
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Post by tdenmark on Aug 24, 2021 6:04:07 GMT -6
Nice to see a great version supported, that's my thought. WotC should do something like this for OD&D, even if it's a single hardback of the 3 LBB only along with PDF support. Make it clear that it's a reproduction but a nice one. Make it cheap. Encourage folks to explore the Genesis of the RPG hobby, with their logo plastered all over it as if they did something back then. I'd like to see a series of "Single Volume Editions" of editions 0, BECMI, 1e, and 2e for the 50th anniversary. Like the fantastic fan made OD&D single volume edition and like the Rules Cyclopedia (but better edited). Put period appropriate art on it: 70's, 80's, and 90's. If WotC won't do it, we fans should do a group effort and make them using the OGL. |
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 1, 2021 20:24:38 GMT -6
I keep getting USPS updates. My book made it to Chicago, then off to Iowa, now back to Chicago. Hoping to actually get it soon.  |
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Post by tdenmark on Sept 1, 2021 22:13:20 GMT -6
I keep getting USPS updates. My book made it to Chicago, then off to Iowa, now back to Chicago. Hoping to actually get it soon. Mine just arrived today! It was a bizarre day, fires broke out on the hills nearby. They evacuated the neighborhood, and I had to make a decision what was really important to bring. Packed up some essentials and headed out. RQ2 Hardback was sitting on my doorstep I grabbed it on the way out, so it made the evacuation. Fortunately they gave the all clear a few hours later. |
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Post by jeffb on Sept 2, 2021 7:36:21 GMT -6
I keep getting USPS updates. My book made it to Chicago, then off to Iowa, now back to Chicago. Hoping to actually get it soon. Last summer, Pandemic in full swing, I ordered a guitar from a dealer in New Jersey. I'm in Connecticut at the time. About 3 hours away. Usually it's a one to two day ship time with UPS or Fed Ex from NJ to CT. After 2 days, it shows up as in the Fed Ex hub in Mississippi. Then came all the way back to CT over the next 3 days. I was expecting the thing to be trashed and in bad shape because of the extreme temps, but luckily it was immaculate when it arrived. I named the guitar my Mississippi Queen. Maybe you'll have the same luck |
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 2, 2021 15:23:10 GMT -6
USPS says it has arrived, but I suspect my wife grabbed it from the porch and she is off at the store. So unfair.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 8:00:32 GMT -6
Nice to see a great version supported, that's my thought. WotC should do something like this for OD&D, even if it's a single hardback of the 3 LBB only along with PDF support. Make it clear that it's a reproduction but a nice one. Make it cheap. Encourage folks to explore the Genesis of the RPG hobby, with their logo plastered all over it as if they did something back then. I'd like to see a series of "Single Volume Editions" of editions 0, BECMI, 1e, and 2e for the 50th anniversary. Like the fantastic fan made OD&D single volume edition and like the Rules Cyclopedia (but better edited). Put period appropriate art on it: 70's, 80's, and 90's. If WotC won't do it, we fans should do a group effort and make them using the OGL. Honestly, I think they're moving beyond their re-release thing from about a decade ago. The availability of more pdfs and POD options for classic materials will likely continue (with the "sensitive material" disclaimer) because they're popular and make WoTC money, and they're likely to pay homage to Greyhawk and hopefully Blackmoor in 2024, possibly with an adventure module with optional old school rules variants of 5e. (Or, perhaps most likely, a special D&D Livestream event featuring Luke Gygax and Castle Greyhawk) That's my guess. We can refer back later to see if it comes true. |
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 4, 2021 6:57:56 GMT -6
USPS says it has arrived, but I suspect my wife grabbed it from the porch and she is off at the store. So unfair. Book did come in. Box looked like it had been mauled by a bear, but well packaged as a box inside a box so book mostly safe. One corner dinged a little, but not too bad and if I'd seen the book on a game store shelf I would have bought it in that condition. I'm a little nervous about a white cover on a hardback and what my grubby fingerprints will do to it, but I keep telling myself that it's a "reader copy" so that I don't need to touch my 1970's 1E copy all of the time.  |
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Post by jeffb on Sept 4, 2021 8:13:16 GMT -6
USPS says it has arrived, but I suspect my wife grabbed it from the porch and she is off at the store. So unfair. Book did come in. Box looked like it had been mauled by a bear, but well packaged as a box inside a box so book mostly safe. One corner dinged a little, but not too bad and if I'd seen the book on a game store shelf I would have bought it in that condition. I'm a little nervous about a white cover on a hardback and what my grubby fingerprints will do to it, but I keep telling myself that it's a "reader copy" so that I don't need to touch my 1970's 1E copy all of the time. No new products should be shelf queens- Read that new book have a milkshake and some Five Guys burgers and fries while you do it. |
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 5, 2021 7:34:11 GMT -6
Well, pretty much ALL my books are "shelf queens" as you put it. I am very careful with my books. I took a bunch of books to the used bookstore and they looked brand new, but many were 20-30 years old. The book store guy loves it when I come in with a bag of stuff to sell. |
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Post by hamurai on Sept 10, 2021 15:35:25 GMT -6
So, what are the merits of the old 1st and 2nd editions? Compared to the new editions, I mean. Also, are new editions and old editions compatible? I had once owned 2E, I have a PDF of RQ Glorantha, I've seen and played Mythras and Legend and other similar games with the Basic Roleplaying System... I never played them as much as D&D, and I didn't think there's a lot of difference to the editions. Maybe someone may elaborate? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 16:32:02 GMT -6
I've been told that unlike with D&D the biggest issue with subsequent editions of Chaosium games is power creep via more points to spread around in skills compared to 1e/2e (which is basically the same edition). Apparently it's not super noticeable from one edition to the next but if you compare the current edition to the earliest one it's blatant.
People have opinions over whether more points is a good thing or the worst thing ever. I have no opinions whatsoever. I played in a handful of Call of Cthulhu games, apparently different editions with different GMs and I couldn't tell anything was different on my end. (I think it was 4e and 7e). I have familiarity with the official campaign world of Runequest but very little with Runequest itself as a game but if the differences are of a similar stripe to the ones among CoC editions they must not amount to a ton.
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Post by jeffb on Sept 12, 2021 8:13:00 GMT -6
I've been told that unlike with D&D the biggest issue with subsequent editions of Chaosium games is power creep via more points to spread around in skills compared to 1e/2e (which is basically the same edition). Apparently it's not super noticeable from one edition to the next but if you compare the current edition to the earliest one it's blatant. People have opinions over whether more points is a good thing or the worst thing ever. I have no opinions whatsoever. I played in a handful of Call of Cthulhu games, apparently different editions with different GMs and I couldn't tell anything was different on my end. (I think it was 4e and 7e). I have familiarity with the official campaign world of Runequest but very little with Runequest itself as a game but if the differences are of a similar stripe to the ones among CoC editions they must not amount to a ton. Call of Cthulhu from editions 1-6 are more like printings 1-6. The differences are in details, minor and they all remain virtually compatible. 7th introduces some new resolution mechanics (among other things)that makes it not quite as compatible as past editions are, but still doesn't call for too much conversion work. I've stuck with 3rd Edition myself. RQ is another animal Chaosium 1 & 2 (essentially 1E revised) are largely compatible. There are a bunch of differences, but they are in the details. ffilz had a great running document of all the changes, but NuChaosium kept busting his balls about it for no good reason, so he took it down. Runequest 3 (designed by Chaosium, and published by Avalon Hill) started to make some major changes and additions. There were new magic systems (Sorcery), significant changes in the skill systems, significant changes in the combat system, etc. It was kind of like 3.0 vs 3.5 D&D. It looks the same, but you will find that they are not really compatible because almost all the details have changed. What you thought you knew... Mongoose's Runequest 1 (or RQ4)- same as RQ3- There is much that looks familiar, but it's very different. I only had the book for a brief time so I cannot cite and quote. Mongoose Runequest II (or RQ5) This edition, I actually very much like/d. It has some very different takes on skills (especially related to combat), and the combat system is different than Chaosium versions (including RQ3). It would later be re-named "Legend" when Mongoose lost the rights to the RQ name. It is also the foundation for- Runequest RQ 6- The Design Mechanism's version. a very heavy/crunchy version by the authors of Mongoose RQII. It has some interesting mechanical additions but very much slows down gameplay. This would be re-named Mythras when TDM lost the rights to RQ. NuChaosium RQ: RIG or AIG or whatever. Fairly compatible with Classic RQ2 on the face, but adds some significant mechanical changes which I am not a fan of. The new mechanic is essentially a percentile resolution system to see if a PC gets to add a bonus to the task roll for the task they are actually trying to accomplish - IOW 2x as many die rolls to resolve one thing. Personally, I play/prefer the original Chaosium editions (1/2), or Openquest which is a hybrid of Chaosium 2e and Mongoose 2E that is easier and faster to run than either and easy enough to use old RQ1/2 material with on the fly. I would also run MRQII/Legend. Runequest 3 (Avalon Hill) has some great classic Gloranthan products (and the best RQ character sheet design EVER), but is too crunchy for me. It was that time... 83-84-ish when everything started to get crunchy and over the top for realism- the hobby didn't want abstract lighter games. |
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Post by ffilz on Sept 12, 2021 12:55:02 GMT -6
Jeff - great summary of the versions of RQ.
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Post by hamurai on Sept 13, 2021 0:04:31 GMT -6
Thanks for the summary, jeffb ! |
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