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Post by thegreyelf on May 16, 2020 8:31:01 GMT -6
Discovery has been the most polarizing entry in Star Trek since the Kelvin Timeline, but most fans agree that the appearance of Pike, the original Enterprise, Number One, and Spock in season 2 were highlights of the season. It's been officially announced that they're giving them a new, full series called Brave New Worlds. It's promised to be a return to "classic Trek" with an optimisitic and hopeful look at the future. I'm excited and cautiously optimisitic. comicbook.com/startrek/news/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-pike-series-announcement/And here's the CBS All Access Youtube video announcement: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD6kUZwMOjQ |
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Post by Falconer on May 16, 2020 9:55:06 GMT -6
I am bound to be disappointed, but, I can wish for them to imitate the aesthetics of The Cage (which are GREAT) just like The Mandalorian nails the aesthetics of SW77.
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Post by geoffrey on May 16, 2020 17:23:51 GMT -6
Let us hope! That actor who plays Pike totally has the look of a Starfleet captain (as did the original series's Pike, Kirk, and Cochrane).  |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 5:53:13 GMT -6
I think I'd rather watch the next season of the Orville, for my tastes. Despite being a parody it feels more like the Star Trek I grew up with. I simply do not feel any excitement or inspiration for most official Star Trek material coming out these days. I don't feel like I'm the target audience for these things.
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Post by asaki on May 28, 2020 7:59:56 GMT -6
...just like The Mandalorian nails the aesthetics of SW77. ? ? ? ? ? |
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Post by thegreyelf on May 28, 2020 9:02:58 GMT -6
I think I'd rather watch the next season of the Orville, for my tastes. Despite being a parody it feels more like the Star Trek I grew up with. I simply do not feel any excitement or inspiration for most official Star Trek material coming out these days. I don't feel like I'm the target audience for these things. I get that, and I do really dig the Orville. I haven't been a gigantic fan of Discovery (HATED season 1, in fact) but I loved what they did with Pike, Number One, Spock, and the Enterprise in season 2 of that show. And I feel like the people behind Picard get it in the sense that it does manage to replicate the feel of later TNG-era (post-DS9) Star Trek. I'm hopeful that the team behind BNW will, in the same way, get it in terms of classic Trek. |
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Post by talysman on May 28, 2020 10:12:48 GMT -6
It's promised to be a return to "classic Trek" with an optimisitic and hopeful look at the future. I'm excited and cautiously optimisitic. So you're cautiously classic Trek?  I recently caved in and got CBS All-Access to watch Picard and Discovery. I'm almost done with Discovery Season 2. There are problems with both series, and Picard is definitely the better of the two, but I don't mind Discovery that much. It's about the same for me as Enterprise or DS9. Definitely better than the movies. I do kind of like the Pike aesthetic, but I know they won't bring back the parts of it I like the best. They've built up too much "must-have lore". Not sure if I'll keep paying for CBS to get either series, or the new series, but I'm not mad about the new Trek, although I still think the spore drive is just stupid (series got better the less they talked about it or used it.) And I really wish they would stop doing "Evil Parallel Universe" stories or relying so much on time-travel stories. They are really bad at it. |
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Post by thegreyelf on May 28, 2020 11:36:53 GMT -6
It's promised to be a return to "classic Trek" with an optimisitic and hopeful look at the future. I'm excited and cautiously optimisitic. So you're cautiously classic Trek? I recently caved in and got CBS All-Access to watch Picard and Discovery. I'm almost done with Discovery Season 2. There are problems with both series, and Picard is definitely the better of the two, but I don't mind Discovery that much. It's about the same for me as Enterprise or DS9. Definitely better than the movies. I do kind of like the Pike aesthetic, but I know they won't bring back the parts of it I like the best. They've built up too much "must-have lore". Not sure if I'll keep paying for CBS to get either series, or the new series, but I'm not mad about the new Trek, although I still think the spore drive is just stupid (series got better the less they talked about it or used it.) And I really wish they would stop doing "Evil Parallel Universe" stories or relying so much on time-travel stories. They are really bad at it. HAHAHAHA Took me a minute to get the "cautiously classic Trek." Well played. Yes, the spore drive is one of the things that drove me to distraction in season 1. I'm glad they found an in-universe reason to make it not a feasible option. The Mirror Universe over 10 years before Kirk and Spock were to have discovered it was another thing that irritated me. Ruining the Klingons in season 1 also enraged me, but they moved towards fixing them in season 2. I'm not sure there is a lot of "must have lore" surrounding Pike and his Enterprise crew. I mean, first of all, everything that happened in Discovery has been declared completely classified, eyes only, no discussion ever. So that's off the table. Second, this series will take place a few years AFTER the Cage, so the only things they're really tied to are TOS, which is 10 years in the future, and Pike's accident, which could also be 10 years or more in the future (The Menagerie is never clear on exactly WHEN that happened, but I always felt it must've been shortly before the episode aired; otherwise why would Spock wait so long to kidnap and transport Pike to Talos IV?). In fact, setting it a few years after The Cage even makes it possible to replace other crew members seen in that episode. We don't NEED Boyce to be the ship's doctor, for example. We'll see; again, I have high hopes for it given the way Picard was handled. If the writers for BNW do their homework as much as the Picard writers did, it could be good. |
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Post by talysman on May 28, 2020 15:11:36 GMT -6
I'm not sure there is a lot of "must have lore" surrounding Pike and his Enterprise crew. I mean, first of all, everything that happened in Discovery has been declared completely classified, eyes only, no discussion ever. So that's off the table. Second, this series will take place a few years AFTER the Cage, so the only things they're really tied to are TOS, which is 10 years in the future, and Pike's accident, which could also be 10 years or more in the future (The Menagerie is never clear on exactly WHEN that happened, but I always felt it must've been shortly before the episode aired; otherwise why would Spock wait so long to kidnap and transport Pike to Talos IV?). I wasn't thinking of lore specific to Pike and the Enterprise, but rather to the Star Trek universe as a whole. What I like about "The Cage" and the first ten or so episodes of TOS is that the universe feels a little emptier and mysterious. There are a few known alien races, but not many, and even Spock's close shipmates don't seem to know much about Vulcans, let alone other aliens. The Talosians were a complete surprise to Pike and Spock, even though Earth had sent an exploratory vessel pretty far out. It's Federation territory, but no one has gone there in many years. In the other pilot, the Enterprise goes to the edge of the galaxy, gets badly damaged, and can't travel at warp, but manages to limp over to a nearby outpost, which again is rarely visited and is completely automated. It's kind of like exploring the wilderness. But later Trek shows add a lot of aliens and start pushing the lore towards a busier galaxy with lots of interaction and interstellar travel. You could sort of see that making sense in TNG, but even Star Trek Enterprise, which is basically a prequel even to Pike, gets in a rush to get all the lore elements into play. Archer's Enterprise isn't exploring the wilderness, but more like going places everyone's already gone and introducing themselves to the neighbors, Andorians, Tellarites, Klingons, Orions, and Romulans, as well as newly added aliens. I don't hold out much hope that Strange New Worlds will hold itself back from getting swept up in the lore. But I'm hoping against hope that it won't be about existing lore or Klingon/Romulan war or intrigue, or a multi-episode time travel storyline. I want it to actually be about strange, new worlds. |
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Post by thegreyelf on May 28, 2020 15:46:06 GMT -6
Well they are saying it is going to be episodic, about visiting new planets, and exploring, and won't have a season-long story arc. So there's that. Like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic. I get what you're saying about the exploration factor--I think the idea was that they were out beyond the Federation territories, exploring to see what was OUT THERE. Certainly there are a lot of species within the Federation. It is a United Federation of Planets, after all, but I do agree. There need to bee NEW alien races, NEW planets, and NEW experiences, not more Romulans and Klingons, not more Spock and Sarek, and for goodness' sake, no more spins on why Kirk wasn't the first one to encounter Species X, but we're going to Classify them.
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Post by terje on Jul 7, 2023 12:05:22 GMT -6
I'm halfway through season 1 of ST Strange New Worlds and I'm actually enjoying it quite a lot! To me, it feels true to the original series.
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Post by geoffrey on Jul 7, 2023 13:14:15 GMT -6
I'm halfway through season 1 of ST Strange New Worlds and I'm actually enjoying it quite a lot! To me, it feels true to the original series. My favorite episode of the season is the fourth, "Memento Mori". |
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Post by terje on Jul 7, 2023 13:25:01 GMT -6
I'm halfway through season 1 of ST Strange New Worlds and I'm actually enjoying it quite a lot! To me, it feels true to the original series. My favorite episode of the season is the fourth, "Memento Mori". Yes, they really managed to make the Gorn feel malevolent! |
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Post by Finarvyn on Jul 8, 2023 11:55:12 GMT -6
At present, I would say that SNW is my second favorite Trek series. The top is, of course, TOS but I suspect much of this is pure nostalgia. I have found that as time passes I have lost most of my interest in the TNG era Trek -- TNG, DS9, and Voyager -- although I did enjoy season #3 of Picard. I'm really glad that they decided to take the one good thing from Discovery (the pre-Kirk crew of the Enterprise) and base a show on that.
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Post by chicagowiz on Jul 8, 2023 14:06:35 GMT -6
I agree, I'm really enjoying SNW. It's definitely the highlight of TV week!
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