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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 12:32:18 GMT -6
[CAUTION - Rafe is super-duper Witcher fanboy. Not of the games - has never played the games, is mighty adult; LOVES the books, though. Dissenters will be flogged.]
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 4, 2018 13:24:43 GMT -6
Okay, so I've heard of the Witcher TV show (I think) but had no idea that there were books. More into, please?
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Post by Finarvyn on Sept 4, 2018 15:29:22 GMT -6
Interesting. I'll admit that I'm confused by the phrase "video game" since I don't play those, but "actual book" sounds promising.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 7:56:23 GMT -6
Yeah, the books are a rare gem - parodistical fantasy that still manages to be epic. The first few books, until... "The Tower of the Swallows" should be the English title, are extremely unconventional and entertaining, as apparently, are the video games, from what I've heard. - After that, with the "Tower" book, things get a bit cringeworthy, because, in an attempt to up the ante for the characters, Sapkowski turns the story into somewhat of what I equate with a teenie soap. I think a movie or a series based specifically on the first few books could be sensational; Cavill is not a bad choice for the part, but he is a notorious non-actor, at this point. Like, imagine if the LotR-movies had cast 1999's version of Keanu Reeves as Aragorn. Not saying it would been a bad choice (come on, Reeves, at this point, this generation's Charles Bronson  ), but, let's just say that the likelihood of failure would have been bigger than the likelihood of success. Between this, GoT and its sequel series, as well as the LotR series, interesting times for friends of fantasy literature on TV. - Also, let's not forget "The Wheel of Time" coming to television; that one, if done well, could outshine all the others. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 7:59:17 GMT -6
Interesting. I'll admit that I'm confused by the phrase "video game" since I don't play those, but "actual book" sounds promising. ...Actually, the video game movies for "The Witcher" are quite the watch! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 9:07:59 GMT -6
Posted that video because "Toussaint" is easily the most beautiful parody of medieval Spain I've found so far. I really just watched this while doing other work, and I laughed out loud a couple of times. |
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Post by Red Baron on Sept 5, 2018 13:06:16 GMT -6
[CAUTION - Rafe is super-duper Witcher fanboy. Not of the games - has never played the games, is mighty adult; LOVES the books, though. Dissenters will be flogged.] Oh, I'm in the same boat, time to start an argument then.  The stories in the Last Wish are phenomenal, the stories in the Sword of Destiny are OK.., but the book series is completely unenjoyable. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 4:24:03 GMT -6
Oh, I'm in the same boat, time to start an argument then. The stories in the Last Wish are phenomenal, the stories in the Sword of Destiny are OK.., but the book series is completely unenjoyable. Actually, there is not much of a disagreement here; I too, think that the books get progressively worse, mainly, because --- and here is where SPOILERS begin for everyone else -, because of that perspective switch from Geralt to Ciri. Geralt's, and particularly Yennefer's tales are always entertaining, but Ciri is not only somewhat of a Mary Sue, but also really a bit pointless as a character. I rationalize this as the books being conceived for a younger audience, and as the referential points here being less of the usual Western "hero's journey", than the traditional Easten-European approach to storytelling, where the male hero is usually an over-idealized Gary Sue, and the conflict does not come from his inner struggle (á la Luke Skywalker), but by the struggle of others (like Yen and Triss competing for Geralt's love). - Still so, in one word, bad. This stands in stark contrast to the original short story collections, particularly "The Last Wish", which is easily one of my favorite fantasy short fiction collections, above even TW, and many others. Now, what gives me some hope is that Sapkowski has said that the series is not over, as far as he is concerned: So, if we're postulating (as he does) that we are in the second of three acts, and not at the end of the third, already, then maybe there's still hope that the author turns this around. ...I am not too hopeful, though. |
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Post by Elphilm on Sept 6, 2018 12:18:57 GMT -6
I had a good laugh over the idea that the Witcher novels are intended for a younger audience than the short stories. The novels are where Sapkowski's writing really shines: The series grows more and more ambitious -- in narrative, characterization, and especially structure -- with every book, and The Lady of the Lake is one of my favorite modern fantasy novels. While entertaining and well written, the short stories are fairly disposable compared to the Witcher saga. I won't go into specific spoilers here, but suffice to say that no "Mary Sue" character is ever put through such a wringer as Ciri is in the novels.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 12:55:24 GMT -6
- Mind you that I am not hating. I've cried hotter tears about "The Last King of Osten Ard". - Now, especially "The Lady of the Lake", I didn't like, at all. I felt some of the characters, and particularly the novel's conclusion were very forced - not entirely "random", but forced. I reread the series two years ago, and around "The Tower of the Swallows", that's when I stopped finding it enjoyable. But, who knows, maybe I am spoiled through the narrative angle from the video games that I honestly found way more intriguing than how Sapkowski originally resolved the plot. But that's only, like, my opinion.
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Post by Elphilm on Sept 6, 2018 14:47:38 GMT -6
I hear that a lot -- that the games are better written than the books -- but I can't really agree with that, either. Even Witcher 3, which is by far the best of the games, is far too concerned with player gratification to provide a narrative that I would find genuinely compelling. Sapkowski, on the other hand, is far less interested in pleasing the reader, and the way the novel series gradually dissolves into myths, dreams, pseudohistory, and metafiction is both haunting and more sophisticated than the usual fantasy fare. I last read the books earlier this year, so the entire series is fairly fresh in my mind.
At any rate, I don't mean to criticize you for preferring the short stories to the novels. You obviously love the books and the games and that's always a pleasure to hear. I only wanted to buck the consensus that seemed to be forming about the supposed inferiority of the later novels.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 13:58:21 GMT -6
Looking back at this, and after going back and listening to part of the audiobook to "The Last Wish", I think the reason why the video games receive a lot of praise for their writing is that they emphasize the tone of the early short stories - "acerbic" is the English term, I think. I think it also has to do with the male audiences identifying more with Geralt than with Ciri, and Geralt's fate in the novels being a bit mystified, and romanticized. - The plots themselves are probably not bad, but, without any sexist connotation, Ciri as a character is just not as interesting as Geralt. IIRC, the twist of Witcher III about her parentage is not spelled out in the novels, and this kind of leaves her... Where? - Also, and I know that I am sort of repeating myself with this, her ending in the book series (as well as Geralt's and Yen's ultimately fate) was really, really weird.
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Meanwhile, the TV series is having problems in pre-production, and creating a lot of unnecessary and very negative buzz. As a mod, I am bringing up this topic, so noone else has to. Please, tread softly if you decide to answer, folks, because this is a touchy topic.
That said, personally, I share the video commenter's opinion that casting Ciri as a "BAME" character is a terrible and profoundly stupid idea.
It doesn't make any sense within the setting, because Cintra is Ireland, and Nilfgaard is probably medieval Pomerania. It makes just about as much sense as it made when the producers of the utterly dreadful Shannara TV series decided to change the quasi-Scottish Highlands of Leah from the books into a vaguely African river kingdom in the TV series.
I won't pretend that I understand US identity politics, and I am not opposed against changing a character's ethnicity if the change is smart and perhaps even somewhat meaningful, like when Dorne was made some sort of proto-Arabia in "Game of Thrones". But when a book is brought to the screen, especially if the production is a first, then I usually want the author's concepts visualized, and as little experiments with them as possible. Othello has to be Ivorian, Captain Nemo has to be Indian, Ged has to be Indonesian, and Tetsuo has to be Japanese. Not because my tender heart would have stopped if the discarded movie version of "Akira" had moved on with Keanu Reeves in the lead - but because I want the authors vision realized, simply.
And Ciri. In particular. Ayyy dios! She is the whitest white girl, like, EVER, perhaps after Danny Targaryen. Literally, she's basically Daenerys, sans dragons, but with crazy ninja skills. And there is a good chance now that they are going to turn her into Storm from X-Men. Way to shoot one's own leg, Netflix. |
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Post by Elphilm on Sept 13, 2018 8:48:12 GMT -6
I think it also has to do with the male audiences identifying more with Geralt than with Ciri, and Geralt's fate in the novels being a bit mystified, and romanticized. I'm male and I appreciate the characters of Ciri and especially Yennefer a hell of a lot more than Geralt, which is probably one of the reasons why I tend to favor the more Ciri-centric novels to the Geralt-centric short stories. Though I would dearly love more Yennefer-centric content too. IIRC, the twist of Witcher III about her parentage is not spelled out in the novels, and this kind of leaves her... Where? You're not remembering correctly, then. Ciri's parentage is discussed in extensive detail in the books, since her ancestry is basically the main plot thread in the novels. There's really nothing that is left open about her blood, though saying anything specific about it would of course be a spoiler. Suffice to say that Witcher 3 doesn't have any new twists in store. Also, and I know that I am sort of repeating myself with this, her ending in the book series (as well as Geralt's and Yen's ultimately fate) was really, really weird. I don't find it weird at all, but the resolution of the novels definitely dips into more metafictional and metatextual waters than some readers are comfortable with, I guess. Either that, or they think metafictional elements are terribly pretentious. Either way, I think The Lady of the Lake is just about the perfect ending to the entire Witcher saga, and Sapkowski doesn't need to add anything more to it. As for the entire kerfuffle about Ciri, it's another online tempest in a teapot. Apart from Henry Cavill's casting as Geralt, we know absolutely nothing about the cast yet. The UK casting call for a BAME Ciri is an unconfirmed rumor. Given how there is another, equally unconfirmed rumor about the production specifically looking for a Polish actress for Ciri, and that Slavic people are classified as BAME (the "minority ethnic" part) in the UK census... Well, let's just say that I'm going to have a good belly laugh if it turns out that the Netflix show was looking for a Polish actress all along. That said, I have nothing against a non-Caucasian actress for Ciri. Her most distinctive feature is not her phenotype but her "ashen" hair. Although she is described as "pale" in the books, Caucasians are hardly the only people in the world who can be called pale. Sapkowski has always been clear that the Continent is not the real world, and he has specifically said that he did not always specify the skin color of the characters in the books (because he did not think it was important). Cintrans, Nilfgaardians, and all the rest could frankly display any sorts of human phenotypes that exist in the real world (or even entirely imaginary ones). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 3:55:27 GMT -6
I'm male and I appreciate the characters of Ciri and especially Yennefer a hell of a lot more than Geralt, which is probably one of the reasons why I tend to favor the more Ciri-centric novels to the Geralt-centric short stories. Though I would dearly love more Yennefer-centric content too. Clarification - I was talking about the writing for the games in this specific context. And the games are as Geralt as Geralt can geralt. Now, about the novels, I agree that Yen, specifically, is written pretty well for a female fantasy character; she is certainly one of the reasons why the series works, even though her role in the later novels is a bit too cheesy for my taste. - Ciri, again, simply not my cup of tea. Ciri's parentage is discussed in extensive detail in the books, since her ancestry is basically the main plot thread in the novels. There's really nothing that is left open about her blood, though saying anything specific about it would of course be a spoiler. Suffice to say that Witcher 3 doesn't have any new twists in store. *Insert picture of owl looking surprised.* Oooh. I got to go back to the books, then. Really? I have to confess, I don't remember that specific part. Re- listening to the entire series right now, though; let's see what pops up again... Well, let's just say that I'm going to have a good belly laugh if it turns out that the Netflix show was looking for a Polish actress all along. That said, I have nothing against a non-Caucasian actress for Ciri. Her most distinctive feature is not her phenotype but her "ashen" hair. Although she is described as "pale" in the books, Caucasians are hardly the only people in the world who can be called pale. Sapkowski has always been clear that the Continent is not the real world, and he has specifically said that he did not always specify the skin color of the characters in the books (because he did not think it was important). Cintrans, Nilfgaardians, and all the rest could frankly display any sorts of human phenotypes that exist in the real world (or even entirely imaginary ones). I know that this is an argument people like to make in this and in similar contexts, but I think it's misguided because it ignores the respective author's intention: As in, I am not sure Tolkien described the Hobbits as explicitly Caucasian; now, for some reason, Peter Jackson didn't see it fit to portray them, whatever, as African Pygmies. Now, we can postulate that Tolkien, in fact, didn't explicitly exclude Hobbits from being portrayed as African Pygmies, but that doesn't increase the likelihood of our interpretation being faithful to the author's ideas. - The same goes with "The Witcher": So, a writer describes a medieval fantasy world with clearly proto-European cultures and cultural backgrounds - from Arthurian references to Rumpelstiltskin. Yet, thirty years after its release, and years into a very public form of literary reception, we have to go back and earnestly debate the "whiteness" of the protagonists. In my opinion, that's borderline nonsensical - not our conversation, mind you, but the overall online furor. If a book cannot be filmed the way it was written, then better not film it, at all. - Again, I'm less concerned with any actual identity politics, but with my own enjoyment. The "Earthsea" miniseries, "Shannara", and, IIRC, the Australian production of "The Sword of Truth" were all not quite terribly bad - but if you were looking for even remotely close and faithful adaptions of the source material, you needn't look there. Now, I am not the kind of guy that condemns all filming of books that aren't line-by-line reproductions, but I think, if you're advertising things as faithful to your source, then you need to leave aside any fundamental rewrites. In this case, for example, it's less Ciri's ethnicity that concerns me, but the butterfly effect that this might have on the depiction of the fantasy world as a whole. Cintra-as-China or Nilfgaard-as-Moorish-Spain, that's not "The Witcher", plain and simple. In such a case, why not simply film something else, like, whatever, Guy Gavriel Kaye's "Sarantium" novels? - Those, for example, feature a way more diverse cast of characters, IIRC. Either way, I think The Lady of the Lake is just about the perfect ending to the entire Witcher saga, and Sapkowski doesn't need to add anything more to it. - Apparently, Sapkowski is not done with the series, though, and announced something at ComicCon in Warsaw this year. Didn't find any particular info on it, yet, but personally, I indeed hope it's not a sequel - if it is as people are reporting, and he was unhappy with the way the story was resolved in the video games, writing such a sequel now would be quite the pretentious thing to do. Anyway, seems we have not seen the last of "The Witcher" just yet... |
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Post by Elphilm on Sept 14, 2018 13:40:27 GMT -6
I know that this is an argument people like to make in this and in similar contexts, but I think it's misguided because it ignores the respective author's intention: As in, I am not sure Tolkien described the Hobbits as explicitly Caucasian; now, for some reason, Peter Jackson didn't see it fit to portray them, whatever, as African Pygmies. The Hobbits are an interesting example to use, because the Harfoots are explicitly called out as having "nut-brown" skin. That doesn't say anything about how they would look in comparison to human ethnicities in the real world, but it is an example of the books having more diverse skin colors than the white-guy party of the movies. As for Sapkowski's intentions, he's basically the last author you would go to for any kind of period accuracy or fidelity to medieval demographics. Another Polish writer, Marek Oramus, sums up Sapkowski's approach as follows: Sapkowski's stance is that fantasy takes place in an entirely fictional world, with a history, geography, and culture unlike our own. For Sapkowski, there's no requirement for a fantasy setting inspired by the Middle Ages to follow any real-world logic. It can be as close or as distant from the real world as desired, and this includes the demographics, ethnicities, and skin colors of the people in the setting. Here's a relevant string of tweets from Lauren S. Hissrich, the showrunner of the Netflix series. You can of course take her words with as large a grain of salt as you like, but to me they are entirely in keeping with what Sapkowski's stance about fantasy fiction has always been:  Apparently, Sapkowski is not done with the series, though, and announced something at ComicCon in Warsaw this year. Didn't find any particular info on it, yet, but personally, I indeed hope it's not a sequel - if it is as people are reporting, and he was unhappy with the way the story was resolved in the video games, writing such a sequel now would be quite the pretentious thing to do. Anyway, seems we have not seen the last of "The Witcher" just yet... Yes, Sapkowski commented some time ago (in his usual irascible manner) that he has two options: Either write more Witcher novels or live under a bridge somewhere. I doubt he'll attempt another cycle of novels, though, and I expect future installments to be "sidequels" in the vein of Season of Storms. But who knows! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 1:47:18 GMT -6
The Hobbits are an interesting example to use, because the Harfoots are explicitly called out as having "nut-brown" skin. That doesn't say anything about how they would look in comparison to human ethnicities in the real world, but it is an example of the books having more diverse skin colors than the white-guy party of the movies. I've heard that argument being a couple of times as well; I think it's really just grasping at straws by using quotes out of context: Tolkien uses his description within a clearly established context, and people try to make a point out of the generic value of a couple of adjectives. Sapkowski's stance is that fantasy takes place in an entirely fictional world, with a history, geography, and culture unlike our own. For Sapkowski, there's no requirement for a fantasy setting inspired by the Middle Ages to follow any real-world logic. It can be as close or as distant from the real world as desired, and this includes the demographics, ethnicities, and skin colors of the people in the setting. If that's true, then that's disingenuous. (This forum doesn't have the emoji needed to convey suspicious scepticism: -_- ) When Sapkowski writes about Galahad mistaking Ciri for the Lady of the Lake, then that works for the reader because it's a reference to an external sign system: To the Arthurian myth, and to its historical depictions. Not to, whatever, Rihanna. Here's a relevant string of tweets from Lauren S. Hissrich, the showrunner of the Netflix series. You can of course take her words with as large a grain of salt as you like, but to me they are entirely in keeping with what Sapkowski's stance about fantasy fiction has always been... I actually think his stance is fairly refreshing in that it's always been like my own - on anything, really: "Pay me." ...And people, looking for some GRRM-esque greeting card esotericism, just don't know how to place it: boundingintocomics.com/2018/09/12/the-witcher-saga-writer-andrzej-sapkowski-confirms-he-has-no-creative-involvement-in-netflix-series/ |
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Post by Elphilm on Sept 15, 2018 4:16:53 GMT -6
I've heard that argument being a couple of times as well; I think it's really just grasping at straws by using quotes out of context: Tolkien uses his description within a clearly established context, and people try to make a point out of the generic value of a couple of adjectives. How is it grasping at straws to simply point out what is written in the book? I already offered the caveat that describing a strain of Hobbit as "nut-brown" doesn't say anything about how they would look compared to real human ethnicities, and I highly doubt that Tolkien had people with African phenotypes in mind. It's still true that nowhere in the films do we see "nut-brown" Hobbits. When Sapkowski writes about Galahad mistaking Ciri for the Lady of the Lake, then that works for the reader because it's a reference to an external sign system: To the Arthurian myth, and to its historical depictions. Not to, whatever, Rihanna. How is this a counterargument to what I said? When Ciri begins to travel between dimensions, she visits all manner of places, including a tavern in Pont-sur-Yonne (which is in the wrong location to be the establishment it references), and a land where, yes, the myths of the Arthurian cycle are real. Like I said, the setting can be as close or as distant from the real world as desired.Yes, Sapkowski has said all manner of things, including:Yes, it's a joke. But is he a consultant or is he not? At this point, we're all like Sapkowski: We do not know nuts. What is true is that Hissrich has met the guy, talked extensively with him, and showed him scripts for a number of episodes. I see zero reason why she would then go on public record misrepresenting or lying about what he said to her. In the interest of sanity, I guess I should state my own views clearly: I would be perfectly alright with the most lily-white, most Caucasian person imaginable for Ciri. I also believe that the Netflix show is most likely looking to cast a Polish actress in the role. I'm only amused by the instant dismissal of (and sometimes revulsion at) the idea that a non-white actress could fit the role, because I seriously do not think the ethnicity of the actress is that important, given the source material. Sapkowski has never been the guy to write period-accurate, carefully researched reproductions of the medieval world. Some of the stuff in the books is ripped straight from the AD&D Monster Manuals. There's a horse named Chiquita, which is a brand of banana. That's some authentic medieval Polish folklore right there. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 8:04:55 GMT -6
Okay, you definitely need to tone it down a notch.
You're getting lost in a bad argument you made. Now, whether you lose the argument entirely will depend on whether you really choose as your hill to die on the case for the depiction of Hobbits being inaccurate because brown-skinned Hobbits were missing. Or the fact that you mistake a common Spanish pet name for a food reference. Keep your sanity, and don't endanger mine. - You are still welcome to discuss he topic, but tonality is the key here. You're indeed not on Reddit, and whatever people might be discussing there, we're not presently discussing here. So, be cool. Everybody, be cool.
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Post by Elphilm on Sept 16, 2018 22:35:19 GMT -6
You're getting lost in a bad argument you made. Now, whether you lose the argument entirely will depend on whether you really choose as your hill to die on the case for the depiction of Hobbits being inaccurate because brown-skinned Hobbits were missing. Or the fact that you mistake a common Spanish pet name for a food reference. Keep your sanity, and don't endanger mine. - You are still welcome to discuss he topic, but tonality is the key here. You're indeed not on Reddit, and whatever people might be discussing there, we're not presently discussing here. So, be cool. Everybody, be cool. While the call for civility is appreciated, it would be entirely possible to do so without making value judgements about the other person's arguments and then characterizing their position in such a way that any disagreement they might have with your characterization would constitute "losing the argument" and "choosing a hill to die on." That's not rhetoric that helps everybody to be cool. I'm also not sure why you would chastise me for mistaking this forum for Reddit -- I don't even have a Reddit account. The only reason I linked to a Reddit thread above was because Sapkowski's original interview is in Polish, and the Reddit thread includes the relevant portion of the interview transcribed to English. |
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Post by stonetoflesh on Sept 17, 2018 10:31:50 GMT -6
So for someone new to The Witcher, what's best to read first? Short stories or novels?
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Post by Elphilm on Sept 17, 2018 11:02:53 GMT -6
So for someone new to The Witcher, what's best to read first? Short stories or novels? The short stories are the first two books ( Sword of Destiny and The Last Wish), and they're the best starting place. All the main characters of the series are introduced there. Note that although Sword of Destiny was published first, some people recommend starting with The Last Wish, since the stories there take place first chronologically. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:08:19 GMT -6
While the call for civility is appreciated, it would be entirely possible to do so without making value judgements about the other person's arguments and then characterizing their position in such a way that any disagreement they might have with your characterization would constitute "losing the argument" and "choosing a hill to die on." That's not rhetoric that helps everybody to be cool. I'm also not sure why you would chastise me for mistaking this forum for Reddit -- I don't even have a Reddit account. The only reason I linked to a Reddit thread above was because Sapkowski's original interview is in Polish, and the Reddit thread includes the relevant portion of the interview transcribed to English. Thank you for showing clas in your response; my apologies if I myself come off as overly confrontational. It's just frankly that I don't know you yet, and I wanted to cut off the usual "SWJ" debate before it began. - I think you and I are both in agreement that the hysteria surrounding the recent news about the series is unwarranted, and we both wish that the books are treated in a manner that is respectful to them. Perhaps best leave it at that, at least for now. So for someone new to The Witcher, what's best to read first? Short stories or novels? The short stories are the first two books ( Sword of Destiny and The Last Wish), and they're the best starting place. All the main characters of the series are introduced there. Note that although Sword of Destiny was published first, some people recommend starting with The Last Wish, since the stories there take place first chronologically. I also vote for "The Last Wish", mainly because, in itself, it's a satisfying stand-alone piece. (The short stories, or rather, novellas, are interconnected by another narrative.) Also, the collection was apparently created as a conscious effort to write an introductory volume to the "Witcher Universe". It's a very comprehensive read, and, over the course of the book, you learn all the basics of the world and the characters, including two integral pieces of info about Geralt - what happened in Blaviken, and how he meet Yenefer. |
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...My favorite of all the stories is from "The Sword of Destiny", though: "Eternal Flame". |
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Post by stonetoflesh on Sept 17, 2018 14:44:54 GMT -6
Alrighty then, I've checked out The Last Wish from my local public library, looking forward to delving into it!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 22:59:00 GMT -6
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Post by bestialwarlust on Jul 23, 2019 19:52:28 GMT -6
I hope this will be good we need some decent fantasy shows. I've played Witcher 3 video game but haven't read the books yet. I've grabbed The Last Wish to read so if the show turns out to be a bad adaption I can properly tear it apart. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 22:10:36 GMT -6
I think the show might be interesting: If successful, it could become the next "Game of Thrones", as the novel universe surely has that in it. ...Fingers crossed.
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I think the show might be interesting: If successful, it could become the next "Game of Thrones", as the novel universe surely has that in it. ...Fingers crossed. The show runner of the Witcher Netflix series previously said she was trying to emulate Game of Thrones (and right when GoT has become a meme for how bad it is). I'm glad that I'm not a fan of The Witcher, although I did enjoy Witcher 3. I'd rather CDPR skipped making Witcher 4 and just created their own IP. |
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