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Post by foxroe on Mar 15, 2017 4:22:34 GMT -6
I've been lately absorbing the wonderful War Games by Featherstone, and I'm thinking of doing some low-budget recreation of the scenarios provided in the book. The first scenario, the classic 'Battle of Trimsos', pits the fantasy nations of Hyrkania and Hyperborea against each other. In the original scenario, Tony Bath's flats were used to represent the two forces. Now, I'm thinking of just printing up my own paper "flats" to run the scenario, but I'm having a hard time deciding which historical flats to use (I've been hunting here). I'm fairly settled on Persians for the Hyrkanians, but what historical analog should be used for the Hyperboreans? Vikings seem obvious... but they weren't much into chariots, mounted archers, and war machines as far as I am aware (I've been wrong before, though...). Does anyone know what flats Bath and Featherstone used for the original scenario? The book doesn't specify (that I've seen thus far, anyway) and my copy (Lulu print) has grainy B&W photos, so details are impossible to make out (at least with my aging eyes). Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions/irrefutable-facts?
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Post by foxroe on Mar 24, 2017 13:46:42 GMT -6
I suppose I'll use the Junior General late Roman pieces and just use an editor to make all of the hair blond for the Hyperboreans. I did a test run with the Persian elephants, printing on cardstock, but they curled over. Guess I'll need to mount them on cardboard or balsa. This just became yet another project... @_@
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Post by owlorbs on Mar 25, 2017 8:49:46 GMT -6
In Royal Armies of the Hyborean Age (FGU 1975) the Hyrkanians are likened to the Huns or Mongols and Hyperborea is a land of Witches and Wizards who when raising an army use undead forces. Of course, if you're using Persians, you may as well use Greeks for the other side.
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Post by thorswulf on Mar 25, 2017 14:41:41 GMT -6
Check out the Vintage wargaming site for articles about Bath. Also The Universal General site has information and images of Bath's campaign and figures. He used what are called Zinnfiguren or flats as they are also known. These figures have a slight details, but are essentially flat wargaming figures, usually 25-30mm in height. They are still produced in Germany and Russia to this day. The images on The Universal general depict ancient Assyrians, but my impression is that Bath used whatever he had at hand both Ancient and Medieval to build his armies. If you can get copies of both Wargames by Donald Featherstone and Setting up a wargames campaign. Both of these are available in printed form from the history of wargaming group which you can find on Luulu.
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Post by foxroe on Mar 26, 2017 0:35:49 GMT -6
Check out the Vintage wargaming site for articles about Bath. Also The Universal General site has information and images of Bath's campaign and figures. He used what are called Zinnfiguren or flats as they are also known. These figures have a slight details, but are essentially flat wargaming figures, usually 25-30mm in height. They are still produced in Germany and Russia to this day. The images on The Universal general depict ancient Assyrians, but my impression is that Bath used whatever he had at hand both Ancient and Medieval to build his armies. If you can get copies of both Wargames by Donald Featherstone and Setting up a wargames campaign. Both of these are available in printed form from the history of wargaming group which you can find on Luulu. Thanks thorswulf, I'll have to check out those sites.
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Post by owlorbs on Mar 26, 2017 17:32:44 GMT -6
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Post by foxroe on Mar 27, 2017 2:01:20 GMT -6
Gasp! No, I missed those! Thank you for the link - need to pour over those pictures.
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Post by Starbeard on Apr 3, 2017 5:25:37 GMT -6
Tony Bath's Ancient Wargaming: Including Setting Up a Wargames Campaign (book review at the Hill Cantons) compiles Bath's write-ups for his Hyboria game. He mentions cultures and figures throughout that give a bit more detail, but pages 181-82 have a basic break down of the themes for each kingdom. At the end of each entry I've listed the titles he used for each rank of leader, from overlord down to minor castle rulers. Aquilonia: 'Kingdom… now virtually an Empire… based on a typical mediaeval Western Christian feudal system.' (King : Dukes & Earls : Counts : Barons, Lords & City Communes) Asgard: 'Nordic'. (Jarl : Thanes : Chiefs : War Leaders) Hyperborea: 'Greek/Carthaginian culture. It consists mainly of the two previously independent countries of Hyperborea and Brythunia, each ruled by a Suffete. This is a Carthaginian title—sometimes called a Shafete—for a powerful magistrate and seemed appropriate.' (King : Suffetes : Pelemarshes : Strategoi : Xenages) Hyrkania: 'fairly typical Saracen/Persian ménage.' (Caliph or Sultan : Satraps : Beys & Pashas) Shem: 'Empire… pieced together from varying cultures (it is a very ramshackle Empire!)'. (Emperor : weird mixture of lesser nobility from all available, plus some made up) Vanaheim: 'Scandinavian'. (Jarl : Thanes : Chiefs : War Leaders) Vendhya: '…based on Northern India, we have a matriarchy'. (Devi or Queen : Princes : Khans & Rajahs) Zembabwei Confederation: 'Headed by a Khedive (a title pinched from fairly modern Egypt), but he is, in theory at least, appointed by an Electoral Council composed of the heads of the member states…' (Khedive : Electoral Council : Jeds, Jeddaks & guardians) Roman culture: He also describes the titles for Republican and Imperial Rome, but doesn't tie them to any of his kingdoms. There are, however, several kingdoms on the map that are left without description, and he had the model figures, so they were probably used somewhere.
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Post by foxroe on Apr 3, 2017 17:35:04 GMT -6
Thanks Starbeard, that's immensely helpful!
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