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Post by Fearghus on Mar 17, 2015 19:56:54 GMT -6
I don't view Paladins as knights, I view them as a force of nature out to go scorched earth on evil wherever they find it. Paladins are not answerable to mortal law, they are the Law, they are the Chosen, they will stop at nothing to avenge. "Helping the innocent" is leaving nothing alive that would harm an innocent. YMMV I see what you are saying. My typical approach was to have them as fairytale knights as well, but you are recommending something like Warhammer 40K's imperium. That's harsh, but I like it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 6:21:22 GMT -6
I don't view Paladins as knights, I view them as a force of nature out to go scorched earth on evil wherever they find it. Paladins are not answerable to mortal law, they are the Law, they are the Chosen, they will stop at nothing to avenge. "Helping the innocent" is leaving nothing alive that would harm an innocent. YMMV I see what you are saying. My typical approach was to have them as fairytale knights as well, but you are recommending something like Warhammer 40K's imperium. That's harsh, but I like it. Thank you, I don't know anything about warhammer, but I am a fan of REH, ERB and Arduin.
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Post by tkdco2 on Mar 18, 2015 15:42:28 GMT -6
I first learned about paladins via the Carolingian legends, so I usually make them knights. In D&D, I can see them as holy warriors chosen to champion their deity and avenge wrongs done to the deity's followers. So I would have no problem with neutral or chaotic paladins.
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Post by Red Baron on Mar 18, 2015 15:50:29 GMT -6
Rare? Red dragons like their paladins well-done! Tee-hee
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Post by Fearghus on Mar 18, 2015 16:05:39 GMT -6
I first learned about paladins via the Carolingian legends, so I usually make them knights. In D&D, I can see them as holy warriors chosen to champion their deity and avenge wrongs done to the deity's followers. So I would have no problem with neutral or chaotic paladins. I was the opposite. First hearing of the Carolingian paladins years after starting D&D. Actually the first time I remember ever hearing of a paladin was when watching Stand by Me and the boys were singing the song.
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Post by tkdco2 on Mar 18, 2015 16:13:39 GMT -6
While there are no paladins per se, D&D players should check out the BBC series Foyle's War. The main character's code of conduct can be useed to create a paladin's code. It also shows that lawful characters, especially lawful good ones in AD&D are not necessarily dumb or self-righteous jerks.
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Post by Red Baron on Mar 18, 2015 16:54:32 GMT -6
I first learned about paladins via the Carolingian legends, so I usually make them knights.... I would have no problem with neutral or chaotic paladins. A good way to handle paladins would be awarding their abilities to any fighting man that gets knighted, and calling them knights instead of paladins. A fighting man could forfeit his ability to construct a stronghold and attract a retinue, in order to gain the advantages of a paladin.
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Post by tkdco2 on Mar 18, 2015 17:14:56 GMT -6
That works for me.
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Post by rastusburne on Mar 19, 2015 3:52:58 GMT -6
What is the point of including a character class that happens once every 21 years of real life gaming? Cool, a paladin character class! I want to play one of those. You can, just have to play something else for the first 20 years. This game's stupid, let's play basketball. Waah, waah, waah, you want some cheese and crackers to go with your whine? I just play with people who say "Cool, you actually rolled a paladin!" instead of crying and peeing in their diapers because they can't be pwecious widdle snowfwakes. Wow. Quite the mature response. If my player wants to play a paladin I honestly don't see the problem, and I entirely disagree that they're somehow a baby for wanting that.
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Post by tetramorph on Mar 20, 2015 10:37:09 GMT -6
I first learned about paladins via the Carolingian legends, so I usually make them knights. In D&D, I can see them as holy warriors chosen to champion their deity and avenge wrongs done to the deity's followers. So I would have no problem with neutral or chaotic paladins. Hey, man, any suggestions on where I could get my hands on a good English-language version of the Carolingian legends? Preferably (to my shame) a summary and fairly popularized kind of version. I love the old legends, but I usually enjoy more modern, prose style of writing to verse-style translations of medieval poetry.
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Post by scottyg on Mar 20, 2015 11:15:26 GMT -6
I usually let players play what they want, so I'd bump a score to meet the class requirements. NPC paladins would be very rare.
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Post by tkdco2 on Mar 20, 2015 15:12:24 GMT -6
I first learned about paladins via the Carolingian legends, so I usually make them knights. In D&D, I can see them as holy warriors chosen to champion their deity and avenge wrongs done to the deity's followers. So I would have no problem with neutral or chaotic paladins. Hey, man, any suggestions on where I could get my hands on a good English-language version of the Carolingian legends? Preferably (to my shame) a summary and fairly popularized kind of version. I love the old legends, but I usually enjoy more modern, prose style of writing to verse-style translations of medieval poetry. Bulfinch's Mythology is where I first read about the legends. I may have read another source, but I can't remember offhand. The nice thing about that book is that you also get the Greco-Roman and Norse myths, as well as the Arthurian legends.
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Post by talysman on Mar 20, 2015 15:32:37 GMT -6
Hey, man, any suggestions on where I could get my hands on a good English-language version of the Carolingian legends? Preferably (to my shame) a summary and fairly popularized kind of version. I love the old legends, but I usually enjoy more modern, prose style of writing to verse-style translations of medieval poetry. Bulfinch's Mythology is where I first read about the legends. I may have read another source, but I can't remember offhand. The nice thing about that book is that you also get the Greco-Roman and Norse myths, as well as the Arthurian legends. I thought of Bulfinch, too, since it is a summary form. There is quoted poetry, because the purpose of Bulfinch is to explain allusions used in poetry, but you can actually skip the poetry. The verse is an example of how the story was used, not the story itself. The one problem is that Bulfinch is not a translation of the original sources. If that is what you want, I'm sure there are modern prose translations of The Song of Roland, Orlando Furioso, and stuff like that, but I haven't read any of those, so I have no recommendations.
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Post by tetramorph on Mar 20, 2015 16:24:37 GMT -6
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