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Post by Malcadon on Jan 4, 2015 16:05:47 GMT -6
A quote from this Wired article: If they do find someone to make it, I really, really hope they make it good. |
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Post by 18 Spears on Jan 5, 2015 0:56:24 GMT -6
No matter what they produce, it will never satisfy the 0.1% hardcore fans. It won't happen. Ever.
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Post by Finarvyn on Jan 5, 2015 5:16:31 GMT -6
I'm actually bummed by this. I'd much rather that they continue the series they started already, complete with the same actors and props. Doing another reboot of the same storyline seems like a poor idea, in my opinion.
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Post by randyb on Jan 5, 2015 6:40:14 GMT -6
No matter what they produce, it will never satisfy the 0.1% hardcore fans. It won't happen. Ever. This is true of any pre-existing property, book or older film. First, hardcore fandom is too small of a group to be a target audience. Second, hardcore fans have their own mental picture of what *should* be produced, and no one will ever create an external experience to match the standard set by what is already in their heads. |
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Post by 18 Spears on Jan 5, 2015 6:57:06 GMT -6
I agree.
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Post by geoffrey on Jan 6, 2015 10:24:26 GMT -6
I think a trilogy of movies based on the first three Barsoom books could be excellent. Red Martians walking around with bras are jarring to me. (Imagine a National Geographic TV special on some heretofore uncontacted rainforest tribe in which all the tribal women wore bras supplied for them by the film crew. That's how off it seems to me.) The films would work best with un-self-conscious nudity. As soon as someone tried to look sexy for the camera, that would be stupid. They need to figure out a way for these movies to be all of the following: non-erotic, full of nudity from the waist up and from the back, and rated PG-13.  |
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Post by talysman on Jan 6, 2015 11:42:15 GMT -6
The nudity is not important to me. I always pictured the Martians in skimpy harnesses/bikinis, anyways, under the influence of the paperback cover illustrations.
What is important, even absolutely necessary, is that the character of John Carter has to be absolutely correct. The summary of the first three books is: everywhere John Carter goes on an intensely balkanized, wartorn planet, he impresses people not with feats of strength but with his character. He can't stand by and watch helpless people being mistreated, even if they aren't on his side or aren't human. He won't back down, even when horribly outmatched... but he also doesn't hold a grudge. He makes friends with everyone, and sticks by them. That's pretty much the whole point, the theme of the stories.
You can change a lot of details and still get it right. I was OK with many of the changes in the movie, but the main character just wasn't John Carter. No where in the movie do we get any sense of his nobility and devotion to others, or even his likeability. We're just supposed to like the guy and root for him because he jumps high and fights a lot.
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Post by geoffrey on Jan 6, 2015 13:11:39 GMT -6
The nudity is not important to me. I always pictured the Martians in skimpy harnesses/bikinis, anyways, under the influence of the paperback cover illustrations. [T]he character of John Carter has to be absolutely correct. The summary of the first three books is: everywhere John Carter goes on an intensely balkanized, wartorn planet, he impresses people not with feats of strength but with his character. He can't stand by and watch helpless people being mistreated, even if they aren't on his side or aren't human. He won't back down, even when horribly outmatched... but he also doesn't hold a grudge. He makes friends with everyone, and sticks by them. That's pretty much the whole point, the theme of the stories... [T]he main character just wasn't John Carter. No where in the movie do we get any sense of his nobility and devotion to others, or even his likeability. We're just supposed to like the guy and root for him because he jumps high and fights a lot. Definitely. What's maddening to me about the changes is that the Barsoom books are short and full of episodic action. They were practically made for the big screen. Very little would need to be changed. |
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Post by Malcadon on Jan 6, 2015 15:29:17 GMT -6
Red Martians walking around with bras are jarring to me. (Imagine a National Geographic TV special on some heretofore uncontacted rainforest tribe in which all the tribal women wore bras supplied for them by the film crew. That's how off it seems to me.) The films would work best with un-self-conscious nudity. As soon as someone tried to look sexy for the camera, that would be stupid. They need to figure out a way for these movies to be all of the following: non-erotic, full of nudity from the waist up and from the back, and rated PG-13. Unfortunately, too much female toplessness tends to get a movie the "hard R," even if it is tasteful or artistic. The people that assigns the ratings within the MPAA tend to be conservative in their views, and they have shown to have really poor judgment of what what counts as tasteful or artistic, to what is genuinely sensual or outright erotic. Although, the movie could get a PG-13 rating with some nudity in it, but that would require having the right distributor. The MAPP Rating Board got a bias towards the big studios. They are infamous for lowering the rating at the request of the 'Big 5' studies, and dish out higher (unfair) ratings for indie-made movies with no appeal (an R or NC17 rating can make or brake a film). And I'm not going to touch on their other biases and bigotries. They suffer from that weird mentality that goes on in this country that nudity, no matter the context, is outright sexual in nature and thus sleazy, and that bare breasts are obscene to the eyes. I grew up around casual nudity, so I find that mentality creepy and perverted. And beyond the 'nudity=sex' mentality, they see sex and intimacy as an ugly and wicked thing — it is not. There will not be a pure A Princess of Mars movie anytime soon, as this country is not mature enough to handle the casual/cultural nudity like reasonable adults. |
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Post by archersix on Jan 11, 2015 15:43:00 GMT -6
What is important, even absolutely necessary, is that the character of John Carter has to be absolutely correct. The summary of the first three books is: everywhere John Carter goes on an intensely balkanized, wartorn planet, he impresses people not with feats of strength but with his character. He can't stand by and watch helpless people being mistreated, even if they aren't on his side or aren't human. He won't back down, even when horribly outmatched... but he also doesn't hold a grudge. He makes friends with everyone, and sticks by them. That's pretty much the whole point, the theme of the stories. You can change a lot of details and still get it right. I was OK with many of the changes in the movie, but the main character just wasn't John Carter. No where in the movie do we get any sense of his nobility and devotion to others, or even his likeability. We're just supposed to like the guy and root for him because he jumps high and fights a lot. What he said. I just want to see a good representation of Carter's character. They could do it as an HBO series..... |
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Post by scottenkainen on Jan 12, 2015 14:33:35 GMT -6
What's maddening to me about the changes is that the Barsoom books are short and full of episodic action. They were practically made for the big screen. Very little would need to be changed. You're right, the books are episodic in nature. This, I would think, lends it to the small screen (a TV series) rather than the big screen, unless the material is given more narrative cohesiveness, such as was done with John Carter. ~Scott "-enkainen" Casper |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 23:00:13 GMT -6
I would like to see an anime series based on ERB's Mars series - not, like, Sailor Moon, but like the old, more adult-oriented animes that were made in the 90s. (The thematically similar "Legend of Basara" comes to mind, for example, or "The Legend of Aslan".)
That way, a certain production quality would be ensured, while at the same time, a longer and more complex story could be told. And an immediate comparison to the Disney movie, in terms of acting, special effects, and on, would not be the first thing that came to mind.
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Post by Malcadon on Jan 13, 2015 1:56:01 GMT -6
I would like to see an anime series based on ERB's Mars series - not, like, Sailor Moon, but like the old, more adult-oriented animes that were made in the 90s. (The thematically similar "Legend of Basara" comes to mind, for example, or "The Legend of Aslan".) Stylistically, I can see a John Carter of Mars anime using the overwrought ornamentation so iconic with old '80s fantasy anime like Record of the Lodoss Wars and Legend of Arslan. I normally have issue with loud, overwrought designs in fantasy art, like with Anima, but with the Barsoom setting, it feels more right (if its not too loud about it). Just imagine the following weapons, headgear and jewellery on scant or naked red skin:   |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 13:22:55 GMT -6
Yeah, this is what I was thinking about. The baroque style of designers like Amano Yoshirtaka or Yuuki Nobuteru fits pretty well with the classic visuals we have of the Barsoom series. Now, granted, I watch about as much anime as any other normal adult, which means my current knowledge doesn' extend the latest Patlabor remake.  However, at least the classic anime I watch would have well worked for classic fantasy or scifi; I think there's even an ERB anime out there, from the 70s - but I could be mistaken. |
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Post by Malcadon on Jan 14, 2015 21:22:45 GMT -6
...I think there's even an ERB anime out there, from the 70s - but I could be mistaken. Back in the '70s, there were Japaneses novels of the works of ERB (Mars, Venus, Tarzan, etc.), and even Conan the Barbarian. I believe the cover artist was Motoichiro Takebe (more covers here). I cannot find much of anything about him online beyond that he was the mentor of Naoyuki Katoh (famed for Space Battleship Yamato and the Japaneses Starship Troopers).   |
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Post by Falconer on Jan 15, 2015 11:20:02 GMT -6
I’m excited for a reboot. I think a Mars trilogy done properly could be phenomenal. Can’t they get Jon Hamm to play John Carter? That would be rad! I agree with the poster who said that fidelity to the characters is more important than fidelity to the story, but I also agree with the poster who said that the story is movie-ready. While I tend to prefer TV adaptations over movies, in this case I don’t think a TV series would work, because the “later seasons” that go beyond the first three books would feel lame and disjointed. I disagree with the posters who think they should show the boobies, because that would completely overshadow the story and make it off-limits to kids.
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Post by Old Guard Villian on Jul 13, 2015 21:14:15 GMT -6
Red Martians walking around with bras are jarring to me. (Imagine a National Geographic TV special on some heretofore uncontacted rainforest tribe in which all the tribal women wore bras supplied for them by the film crew. That's how off it seems to me.) The films would work best with un-self-conscious nudity. As soon as someone tried to look sexy for the camera, that would be stupid. They need to figure out a way for these movies to be all of the following: non-erotic, full of nudity from the waist up and from the back, and rated PG-13. Unfortunately, too much female toplessness tends to get a movie the "hard R," even if it is tasteful or artistic. The people that assigns the ratings within the MPAA tend to be conservative in their views, and they have shown to have really poor judgment of what what counts as tasteful or artistic, to what is genuinely sensual or outright erotic. Although, the movie could get a PG-13 rating with some nudity in it, but that would require having the right distributor. The MAPP Rating Board got a bias towards the big studios. They are infamous for lowering the rating at the request of the 'Big 5' studies, and dish out higher (unfair) ratings for indie-made movies with no appeal (an R or NC17 rating can make or brake a film). And I'm not going to touch on their other biases and bigotries. They suffer from that weird mentality that goes on in this country that nudity, no matter the context, is outright sexual in nature and thus sleazy, and that bare breasts are obscene to the eyes. I grew up around casual nudity, so I find that mentality creepy and perverted. And beyond the 'nudity=sex' mentality, they see sex and intimacy as an ugly and wicked thing — it is not. There will not be a pure A Princess of Mars movie anytime soon, as this country is not mature enough to handle the casual/cultural nudity like reasonable adults. If you travel or live outside the US, then you might see bare breasts at a beach and you will have families present as well. On a good day (any day in August) a French beach delivers more topless girls than you would normally see in a dozen lifetimes, if lucky. Topless etiquette varies by country. In France, Germany and Scandinavian women will skip the top even when sitting down in a seaside cafe. Along the Seine in Paris you'll see summertime secretaries sunning their breast during lunch breaks. In resorts in the Caribbean and Mexico you see newbies with pale bosoms getting their first taste of liberation. Mine are the best when I go shirtless in my own mind, Thank goodness that its the women that get arrested for showing bare breast and not me during the summertime!. And yes.... I have a pair of male breasts that women would die for. |
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Post by kesher on Jul 14, 2015 22:08:38 GMT -6
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Jul 16, 2015 12:11:28 GMT -6
Here's the thing about nudity; please understand that I am Catholic and the Bible STRONGLY influences my point of view. As near as I can tell, Woman (breasts and all) was created by God from Man to be a companion to Man. Beforehand, Man (thingy and all) was created by God in his own divine image. Thus, Woman was created from the literal image of God. For the life of me, I cannot fathom how nudity, the showing of God's own image, can possibly be indecent. That seems almost like denying God's likeness.
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Post by kesher on Jul 17, 2015 6:57:09 GMT -6
My Jewish self wants to argue scriptural interpretation here, but instead I'll just say "Amen". |
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Jul 17, 2015 14:58:54 GMT -6
My Jewish self wants to argue scriptural interpretation here, but instead I'll just say "Amen". Feel free to shoot me a PM, I am not interested in fighting about it but I love to playfully argue semantics. And I absolutely love hearing about different scriptural interpretations :-) That goes for anyone else, too. I love hearing new ideas. |
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Post by Old Guard Villian on Jul 17, 2015 18:01:48 GMT -6
kesher - *Chuckles, Apologies for the hijacking.
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Post by Old Guard Villian on Jul 18, 2015 13:55:12 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:45:30 GMT -6
HAHAHAHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Amano Yo s h i t aka! We need to disable that word filter, Fin, or it will lead to a series of international incidents as soon as a couple of Japanese members sign up! |
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Post by DungeonDevil on May 8, 2016 1:19:25 GMT -6
A quote from this Wired article: If they do find someone to make it, I really, really hope they make it good. That sounds like the equivalent of being grabbed by the ear and being hauled to the woodshed: I sense that The ERB Estate is displeased with Di$ney's gross mishandling of the property. I chose not to see the film, and, based on the trailers, stills and poster art, it didn't look like anything remotely Barsoomian, and the synopses of the plot seemed like a shameful muddle. The Mars that John Carter visits in the novels is a place that is free of stiffling Victorian/Edwardian (and, sadly, modern American) inhibitions. Barsoom without the dreamlike, still, ruined cities, the silent, dry sea-bottoms, the nonjudgmental nudity and seminudity is just not Barsoom. With a few exceptions, the Red Martians, in particular, are akin to the Grecian Ideal of Male and Female beauty, strength and confidence. Would that I were a native citizen of Helium! |
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However, at least the classic anime I watch would have well worked for classic fantasy or scifi; I think there's even an ERB anime out there, from the 70s - but I could be mistaken. 
