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Post by tkdco2 on Jan 22, 2015 15:04:05 GMT -6
I remember when it was hard to find these books in the bookstore. I once went looking for The Lays of Beleriand; the guy at the counter thought it was some kind of porn. True story.
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Post by cooper on Jan 22, 2015 15:26:08 GMT -6
It's awesome! The guy who edited the movie is an actual professional movie editor. He says sat with the book on his lap while he edited the scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 5:25:55 GMT -6
Please stop being so sensitive, guys. We are posting as friendly acquaintances here, so your first thoughts should never: "Do I offend?" I personally will annoy anyone to the very death who comes here to be intentionally offensive. So, as long as you don't feel annoyed by me, chances are, everything's alright. [Mod hat on:] As to the topic at hand, please be careful with posting material, and links to material that common sense indicates to be legally dubious. Now, I am not a lawyer, and I am not going to download the piece in question to verify any assumptions I might have, but in general, do not promote acts that could be interpreted as "stealing".
I am going to let the discussion about the re-cut continue for now, but only if the discussion keeps being focused on the content of the movie(s), not on the legal aspect of fan cuts, and, in general, copyright law.[Mod hat off.] The idea about the miniseries is pretty rad, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 5:40:10 GMT -6
I"m sorry. I'll delete the posts in question. I was really trying to do a good thing, not stir the pot.
Apologies everyone.
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Post by scottenkainen on Jan 23, 2015 12:58:28 GMT -6
I finally saw it. It's my least favorite of all six films because of losing the "war is horrible" theme and replacing it with "killing looks cool". So much gratuitous violence. Peter Jackson really has a fascination for beheadings in the Hobbit films.
That said, the rescue at Dol Guldur was fantastic. I could have watched Galadriel and Saruman kicking butt for another 10 minutes.
~Scott "-enkainen" Casper
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 9:06:03 GMT -6
Viggo Mortensen, who is quite probably my favorite *serious* actor of this generation, gave a pretty mean interview regarding the Hobbit movies, where he essentially said that the movies were so grossly overbudgeted that Jackson runs out of ideas of how to properly spend it. I agree with that. - Now, I don't like bashing the movies all too much, because I had a good time at the theatre. ...But when Legolas at one point runs out of arrows (which the audience greeted with cheers), then grabs his scimitar, punctuates an ogre's brain stem, and then, no kidding, remote controls him by using the blade as a joystick, then I have to say, Mr Jackson, we might just have strolled a tad bit far away from the intent of the original author.
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Post by doctorx on Feb 3, 2015 17:10:06 GMT -6
Finally saw this the other night. I think Viggo Mortensen sums up the problems for me very succinctly. I was pleasantly surprised by An Unexpected Journey and very much enjoyed The Desolation of Smaug, but the lurking demon in both films for me was Jackson's increasing obsession with CGI, which, I think, just isn't up to what live actors can deliver. In The Battle of the Five Armies this, (combined with very little remaining story to tell), exploded out of all proportion to deliver not very much in my opinion. What good performances there were (and there were some very good performances, I think) were largely drowned in the technology. And respectfully, I have to say some of the scripting (and I have had great respect for the Jackson/Walsh/Boyens writing team up to now) did at times rather set my teeth on edge. I'm very glad to hear folk on here enjoyed it and it's certainly done good box office, but for me personally, this is the weakest of Jackson's Middle Earth movies by some margin. To take the argument There And Back Again as it were - I think these could have been a very good TWO films - if a few more actors had been employed and a bit less CGI. That said - the man gave me The Fellowship of the Ring, which is one of my favourite movies of all time. For that, Mister Jackson, my eternal thanks. And I'm delighted for Fin and the rest of you guys who liked it! Just my thoughts as a fellow Middle-Earth lover.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 2:06:39 GMT -6
Rewatched it as VOD on my day off; I think the movie, the trilogy itself, will age better than we think, especially when compared to other movies of its time. Mind you, among the top ten highest grossing (US) films of 2014 were Transformers 4, The Amazing Spiderman 2, and Dawn of the Apes. I think we can all agree that, against that sort of competition, Hobbit III looks considerably better. The worst thing that can be said about the movie is really that it's a product of its era, after all; and while the movie is perhaps not the masterpiece we all hoped for, it's at least not Jupiter Ascending.
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Post by Stormcrow on Mar 9, 2015 13:56:32 GMT -6
especially when compared to other movies of its time. When a movie's time is past, it is no longer compared to other moves of its time. It is compared to other movies of its genre. Ten years from now, nobody will care whether "Five Armies" was better than Transformers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 16:21:40 GMT -6
I disagree; nobody seriously holds, say, "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" to the same standards as "District 9", or, as a more extreme example, "Gone With the Wind" to the same standards as "Glory". But even assuming you were right - what genre movies of the same scope are out there that would be remotely comparable, at this point?
"Eragon"? That "Conan" reboot from 2012? "Snow White and the Huntsman"? - Because after that, we're really pretty much in '80s, or '70s territory, already. The sad thing about High Fantasy as a movie genre is precisely, outside of the PJ sextett, the only vaguely adult-oriented and critically accepted cinematic release in more than 20 years has been Neil Gaiman's "Beowulf", perhaps together with "Dracula Untold", if you're going to count that one.
Like, I can forgive the PJ series for perhaps not ranging among the most faithful book adaptations, or not being among the best movies of all time. What I cannot forgive modern cinema is the general intent to always sell toys, games and gear with every mainstream movie; but that is more of a general problem these days, and not so much the fault of "The Hobbit".
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Post by 18 Spears on Mar 9, 2015 16:36:05 GMT -6
I disagree; nobody seriously holds, say, "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" to the same standards as "District 9", or, as a more extreme example, "Gone With the Wind" to the same standards as "Glory". But even assuming you were right - what genre movies of the same scope are out there that would be remotely comparable, at this point? "Eragon"? That "Conan" reboot from 2012? "Snow White and the Huntsman"? - Because after that, we're really pretty much in '80s, or '70s territory, already. The sad thing about High Fantasy as a movie genre is precisely, outside of the PJ sextett, the only vaguely adult-oriented and critically accepted cinematic release in more than 20 years has been Neil Gaiman's "Beowulf", perhaps together with "Dracula Untold", if you're going to count that one. Like, I can forgive the PJ series for perhaps not ranging among the most faithful book adaptations, or not being among the best movies of all time. What I cannot forgive modern cinema is the general intent to always sell toys, games and gear with every mainstream movie; but that is more of a general problem these days, and not so much the fault of "The Hobbit". Dungeons & Dragons: The Movie? Released a year before "The Fellowship of the Ring" and From the same studio, New Line, as LotR, no less. I don't include the other 2 because they were made-for-TV.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 16:48:09 GMT -6
Hehe, I had erased that one from my memory already. But, yeah, you're right: Fantasy in the 90s was the awful "Prince Valiant" movie with the guy from "True Blood", the D&D movie, and "Kull the Conqueror". (That is, if we discount historical fantasy, and "stranger in a strange land"-tales like the later "Narnia" movies.)
And compared to those, I think we can all agree that LotR was a quantum leap. ...Just think of how bad it could really have been.
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Post by Stormcrow on Mar 10, 2015 7:03:45 GMT -6
Hehe, I had erased that one from my memory already. I rest my case.
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