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Post by Fearghus on Sept 18, 2014 13:14:41 GMT -6
Good to go, joseph. Thank you.
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Post by joseph on Sept 18, 2014 18:48:13 GMT -6
Not sure if I can post this here, if not apologies. The mods are free to remove it....
25% Lulu coupon code good through 22nd: MATEY25
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 18, 2014 19:42:18 GMT -6
Are the volumes available individually? Could I get a few of the first book with the classes, spells and gear for players and the big one (all 3) for me? Great idea Fearghus. Once we have got over the broken one-half issue, I will make the v4 edition of volume 1 available on Lulu also. For those that may have already printed out v3 themselves, I have enumerated all the changes between v3 and v4 of the ref rules here: forum.immersiveink.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=429 . There are only a few minor things changed in volume 1; the notable changes being those that touch on the thief's progression.
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Post by Merctime on Sept 19, 2014 8:36:15 GMT -6
Ok, so my copies arrived too! I'm so stoked... Two copies of my favorite rules for under 15 bucks! Yeah, they have the wierd 1/2 symbols, but I'm not too worried about it. I'll just contact Lulu like waysoftheearth has posted about doing here, and on G+. In any event, I consider myself a winner! Great stuff in these books.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 23, 2014 8:35:30 GMT -6
Okay folks, the broken one-half issue affecting US customers is, in principle, resolved. I say "in principle" because I have no way of confirming it first hand; I'm in Australia so I can't order from the affected printer in the US because Lulu always fulfills from the nearest print partner. So I'm waiting for the next US customer to confirm their copy is okay. In the meanwhile, Lulu says if you are a customer affected by the broken one-half issue and you want a resolution you can open an individual ticket with them. To raise a ticket go here: www.lulu.com/shop/email-us.epClick 'Something Else" (right of page) Click "Report a Bug" Click "I still need help" Then fill in the form and submit. When you fill in the form you'll need to: 1. Mention the name of the book, 2. Provide your affected order number, 3. Provide images of the defect in the book. You can optionally quote my original case number which was 01106201. So it's a bit of a hassle, but it seems like Lulu are willing to make good on the broken prints which is great news. Good luck, and may all your one-halves be well printed!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 6:50:21 GMT -6
I received my copy yesterday; the problem with the fractions exists in my copy. Thanks for posting the instructions on how to get a fixed version of the book.
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Post by machpants on Sept 25, 2014 23:29:16 GMT -6
Got mine all the way over here in NZ, 'tis lovely! Excellent work and thanks for doing this, Ways
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Post by Merctime on Oct 28, 2014 12:14:17 GMT -6
waysoftheearth, I've got a nagging little question: Have the new errata made it into the Lulu books or are you still waiting for further errata to show up before you do this? Just wanted to ask and see what's new with Delving Deeper!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Oct 28, 2014 19:31:42 GMT -6
Have the new errata made it into the Lulu books or are you still waiting for further errata to show up before you do this? Hi Merctime, at this stage there is no plan to make any alterations to the Ref Rules Compendium (available on Lulu). The errata sheet will be maintained as a separate resource for the foreseeable future. You could print the errata list and slip it into the back of your booklet? Or you could make the corrections by hand in your booklet (that's what I've done to mine).
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Post by Merctime on Oct 28, 2014 20:03:29 GMT -6
Ok, man, I'll do just that Maybe I'll mark one book and leave one untouched. It's basically a grail for me
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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2014 15:12:00 GMT -6
Not sure if this has been brought up or not, I just noticed it myself.
I have the Version 3 rules printed out and bound up in a DIY job, and the "1/2" issue is showing up there. I noticed it on table 1.9 Turning Undead. The 2 is superimposed over the 1/.
So, I pulled up my pdf (on my phone, have not checked pc) and found that the "2" is not seen at all. It just reads "1/"...
This makes me believe that the problem is embedded in the pdf, rather than being a Lulu printing problem. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Nov 9, 2014 16:41:53 GMT -6
Lulu have provided some better information on the problem which is generally applicable to all printers (not just Lulu's print partners). Their advise is effectively: if you want your PDF to print properly everywhere, then ensure your PDF doesn't contains any composite glyphs. Composite glyphs are explained here but, in a nutshell, they are glyphs that are "composed" from other glyphs in the font during the RIP process (Raster Image Preparation, which is the process of assembling a printer-specific representation of the printable image). InDesign (and other Adobe tools) continue to use composite glyphs in PDFs under the working assumption that any downstream process will support the necessary PostScript standard to handle correct RIPing of the composite glyphs. The problem comes when the downstream process doesn't fully support the PostScript level 2 and/or level 3 standards. That's when you can potentially get "funny" renderings of composite glyphs. This (presumably) explains why some devices are printing the DD PDF correctly, and others are not; the different print devices (presumably) have different levels of PostScript support. The workaround is, as Lulu says, to not use any composite glyphs in the document. But how to know which glyphs in which fonts are composite and which are not... that's a separate issue. It's genuinely frustrating that something so basic turns out to be so troublesome. I think my next step is to trial a different typeface for the V4 PDFs, and see if the problem "goes away". This alone will be a little bit tricky, since somebody else (who has experienced the printing issues) will have to confirm whether it is working or not for me...
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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2014 16:55:06 GMT -6
Ways, Thanks for the explanation. If you change the fonts, I can try a couple different printers for you. Just shoot the pdf over to me, or share via Dropbox.
Anyway, the "1/2" doesn't ruin this product in the slightest. You have done a great job with your stewardship of DD.
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Post by mgtremaine on Nov 9, 2014 17:29:11 GMT -6
Send the page of corrected glyphs to me, or whatever you want, and I'll see if I still get the error since I noticed it in the original PDF on my printers.
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Post by Merctime on Nov 9, 2014 17:45:12 GMT -6
Anyway, the "1/2" doesn't ruin this product in the slightest. You have done a great job with your stewardship of DD. This is exactly my sentiment! But, I'm quite sure you'd like to scratch this itch. Mabye it is as "simple" as using a different font? I wonder if you can go to one of the free online font galleries and check the one used for the PoD, and see if there is some type of library of information on that font's download page that says if it contains composite characters or not? Perhaps there is a list of fonts that lists ones that are, and ones that aren't? Just some ideas.
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Post by billiambabble on Nov 9, 2014 20:33:35 GMT -6
This looks so perfect! (No pun on binding intended)
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Post by billiambabble on Nov 9, 2014 20:38:34 GMT -6
Also, you do all realize that those 1/2 character print errors will make those copies more collectable in the future?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Nov 23, 2014 5:09:04 GMT -6
FYI--
The DD Ref Rules Compendium will be temporarily unavailable at the Lulu store, pending visual confirmation that my latest attempt to work around the glitchy glyphs issue has/has not been a worthwhile effort.
I expect to have eyes on a US printed copy in about a week; more news shortly...
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Post by Vile Traveller on Nov 23, 2014 5:15:22 GMT -6
Oh, no, you're missing out on those crazy Lulu sales ...
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Post by waysoftheearth on Nov 23, 2014 5:37:04 GMT -6
Not to worry, Lulu is always having crazy sales.
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Post by eldrad on Nov 30, 2014 2:36:03 GMT -6
LULU appears to have lost the link.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Nov 30, 2014 6:53:28 GMT -6
Check my post, four posts above
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Post by waysoftheearth on Dec 4, 2014 6:45:16 GMT -6
I have now had a visual confirmation from my "eyes" in the US that the updated Ref Rules Compendium includes correctly printed fractions, whereas his earlier copy had the funny fractions issue. So I am assuming these were printed at the same facility, and therefore that the issue has been "worked around". I am just awaiting a final count of correctly printed halves, quarters, and three-quarter glyphs (to be certain it is all of them) before the Ref Rules will become available for sale again. Two More Things. 1. The updated Ref Rules now includes (the fixes for) all presently known errata and states "V4a" (as opposed to "V4") on the inside cover. 2. Lulu have kindly agreed to provide reprints for all affected customers at no cost to you. Lulu's exact words to me 8 days ago: "If your customers would like a reprint of their book, please encourage them to reach out to us directly with their order number. We'll be happy to send them a new order at no cost to them." So that's a Merry DD Christmas to you! More news shortly...
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Post by waysoftheearth on Dec 5, 2014 6:03:46 GMT -6
The Ref Rules Compendium is now available on Lulu once more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 11:39:46 GMT -6
Awesome news! I contacted Lulu right after I read this. We'll see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 23:56:15 GMT -6
Well, my "new" copy came in the mail this week; this is my 3rd attempt at this book (the first had the 1/2 error and a bad binding; the second had just the 1/2 error).
Unfortunately, this third attempt at the order is also a doozy. This one is the weirdest printing error I've ever seen: they bound TWO COPIES of the book in one cover! Yup. I have pages 1-130, a blank page, and then another set of pages 1-130 all in one cover that is misaligned. No pictures, just take my word for it. It's completely useable, just weird.
At this point I gave up on order replacement and just ordered a new copy, along with a few other OSR purchases; I had a 15%-off coupon and a free-shipping coupon to burn and used them both. So, I will hopefully soon have a new & improved copy in my hands.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Dec 23, 2014 23:18:17 GMT -6
they bound TWO COPIES of the book in one cover! Now that would be a thing to see! I have been amazed at how hard it seems to be for Lulu to "just print the PDF"! Apparently it isn't quite as simple as it sounds. The silver lining is that I've now--at long last--been informed by three separate people in the US that their reprints contain correctly rendered fractions. So the problem with Lulu's US print-partner was ultimately not solved, but worked around by me changing the typeface used for all fractions. I'm sorry and frankly embarrassed that you've had to go to four copies Vlark, but I do thank you for your persistence. If my experience has been typical, then I wonder how many reprints Lulu must be doing each year across all its titles..?
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Post by capitalbill on Dec 24, 2014 20:27:48 GMT -6
If my experience has been typical, then I wonder how many reprints Lulu must be doing each year across all its titles..? I would think your experience is atypical; I have ordered a lot from Lulu and have only had minor issues with one copy of Knockspell and my copies of the Delving Deeper compendium, neither of which I felt the need to do anything about. Maybe I have been very lucky though, I have heard some stories of Lulu hijinks such as a completely different book within the proper covers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 12:23:46 GMT -6
If my experience has been typical, then I wonder how many reprints Lulu must be doing each year across all its titles..? I would think your experience is atypical; I have ordered a lot from Lulu and have only had minor issues with one copy of Knockspell and my copies of the Delving Deeper compendium, neither of which I felt the need to do anything about. Maybe I have been very lucky though, I have heard some stories of Lulu hijinks such as a completely different book within the proper covers. Oh, I agree that it's atypical. I've had a few minor problems with poor bindings and one instance with Majestic Wilderlands where the first 10 pages of the book was missing. But otherwise, Lulu usually does good work. I'm thinking they just have one printing vendor who does incredibly poor work and that vendor happens to have something against Kansas addresses! But I love this little game, so it's worth the hoop jumping.
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Post by gallowglacht on Jan 4, 2015 2:31:28 GMT -6
Does the POD version include a GPS tracker? Does it respond to whistles? Is is detectable using a dowsing rod? It isn't down the back of the couch, any other ideas?
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